Looks like more and more scientists are now questioning whether or not we've gone too far to reverse the effects of climate change...instead of still debating whether or not humans affect climate change significantly.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079935/
Unfortunately, that's not going to affect how Bush thinks much.
A shift in the global warming discussion
interesting. i can tell you from experience living in the land of ice and snow, something is just not right. the other day we had temps of 7c. considering this is usually our coldest month with temps running from -20c to -45c.
since the start of december we have had 4 or 5 days with temps below -20c. no days below -30c. looking at the forecast for the next week shows more of the same. hovering around 0c in the day to -10c at night.
it just seems so random the last 8 or so years. we don't really know what to expect.
since the start of december we have had 4 or 5 days with temps below -20c. no days below -30c. looking at the forecast for the next week shows more of the same. hovering around 0c in the day to -10c at night.
it just seems so random the last 8 or so years. we don't really know what to expect.
@tnf
oh, they'll just change tack and say that if there's nothing we can do about it, we may as well carry on as we are - and most people won't even notice that this represents a tacit acceptance that human-created global warming is occurring (a position the bush administration currently rejects)
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oh, they'll just change tack and say that if there's nothing we can do about it, we may as well carry on as we are - and most people won't even notice that this represents a tacit acceptance that human-created global warming is occurring (a position the bush administration currently rejects)
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The only shift or turning point I'd be interested in is in the political sense.
Because scientists and their opinions are completely irrelevant at this juncture. It's been made painfully apparent time and time again that their input carries no political weight.
What I can only hope for is for a serious disaster directly caused by global warming to occur before it's too late, sick as that may be as something to hope for.
Methane gas cloud from a bog wiping out a city, something like that.
Because scientists and their opinions are completely irrelevant at this juncture. It's been made painfully apparent time and time again that their input carries no political weight.
What I can only hope for is for a serious disaster directly caused by global warming to occur before it's too late, sick as that may be as something to hope for.
Methane gas cloud from a bog wiping out a city, something like that.
Perhaps a massive hurricane ruining a major US city? Honestly with the common political groups in power nothing will ever change until it is to late.Foo wrote:
What I can only hope for is for a serious disaster directly caused by global warming to occur before it's too late, sick as that may be as something to hope for.
EDIT: Temperature here in Edmonton has been 10-15 or so degrees warmer then one would expect for this time of year which should be in the -15 to -20 range on average I would think, not -1...
It can be fixed however I think, David Suzuki a well known canadian environmentalist and scientist believes its possible to attain a sustainable economy and society in a 10 year span, but if we do reach a point of no return before we figure it all out, then yeah we are screwed...werldhed wrote:
I thought, even if everyone suddenly realized what is going on, what good will it do if we can't fix it? Depressing.
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Yeah, but both the US, and now Canadian, governments want to either ignore or pull out of the Kyoto agreement, which even if it does very little to help, i dont know the details, anything is better then nothing.Tsakali_ wrote:and hurricane seasons are getting more and more active and last longer, due to the warmer ocean water temps, hurricane systems are poping more than ever
Indeed, anything is better than nothing.
It's pretty widely accepted that kyoto doesn't go nearly far enough, and it's been spun out as a talking point for an awfully long time too.
At this point kyoto should be done, dusted, applied, and we should be 3 or 4 iterations onwards with reviewing the problem and implementing further changes to combat it.
But we're not.
It's pretty widely accepted that kyoto doesn't go nearly far enough, and it's been spun out as a talking point for an awfully long time too.
At this point kyoto should be done, dusted, applied, and we should be 3 or 4 iterations onwards with reviewing the problem and implementing further changes to combat it.
But we're not.
Look for constant extreme weather from now on. As the glaciers melt and dump fresh water into the ocean, the North Atlantic Current will change and result in catastrophe.
As a matter of fact, the events portrayed in "The Day After Tomorrow" are very accurate for the most part, excluding the "Ice Age coming and going" bit. An Ice Age will come, but it will spell the end for mankind.
I have a question though: Do I still have to go out and finish my education and raise a family even with the knowledge that the world is ending? Seems kind of pointless.
As a matter of fact, the events portrayed in "The Day After Tomorrow" are very accurate for the most part, excluding the "Ice Age coming and going" bit. An Ice Age will come, but it will spell the end for mankind.
I have a question though: Do I still have to go out and finish my education and raise a family even with the knowledge that the world is ending? Seems kind of pointless.
Americans have shown that their pockets are more important than the survival of the world. Now with the Conservatives in place, Canada will refuse the Kyoto Accord as well.Foo wrote:Indeed, anything is better than nothing.
It's pretty widely accepted that kyoto doesn't go nearly far enough, and it's been spun out as a talking point for an awfully long time too.
At this point kyoto should be done, dusted, applied, and we should be 3 or 4 iterations onwards with reviewing the problem and implementing further changes to combat it.
But we're not.
Our way of life certainly will not. It'll be back to stone drawings and living in caves, lol.
I have a theory though: Mankind can survive an Ice Age, but not itself.
In short, I think Israel will have nuked the world before the cataclysmic events start. They always did say that lawyers and cockroaches would remain
I have a theory though: Mankind can survive an Ice Age, but not itself.
In short, I think Israel will have nuked the world before the cataclysmic events start. They always did say that lawyers and cockroaches would remain
Nah it will be the US's fault not isreal. Though thats a subject I havent seen on the forum, any thoughts on Hamas?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/ ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/ ... index.html
Just to go along with what you're saying, here's an article about a NASA scientist who feels he is being silenced:Foo wrote:The only shift or turning point I'd be interested in is in the political sense.
Because scientists and their opinions are completely irrelevant at this juncture. It's been made painfully apparent time and time again that their input carries no political weight.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/scien ... r=homepage
"He added that government scientists were free to discuss scientific findings, but that policy statements should be left to policy makers and appointed spokesmen."
Did you get that? Scientist should NOT talk about policies, that should be left to the policy makers.
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You can argue there have been results of global warming hurricanes/tsunamis however unless the average citizen starts seeing first hand effects of it nothing is going to be done.
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