aye :icon14:Underpants? wrote:I could not command the perpetually entitled and attention defecated hordes even were it attached to a huge paycheck. You're in the upper echelon with that, tnf I''ve just got to throw that out there...
Anyone here do pentrix?
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Heh..thanks. I'm pretty hardcore on some things, but not on others. Respect is the key word, and if you are being disrespectful to someone, or, god forbid, picking on someone, there will be a situation. I am the one they tend to send the behaviorally disorded freshmen too actually, so there is a downside to having a reputation like this - you get a lot of pains in the ass to deal with, but with some structure and patience you can make some real progress with even the most 'hardened' kid. Ironically, the thing that seems to have boosted the respect I get from the at-risk kids (the ones who are always fighting and whatnot) was last year when a kid swung at me as I was trying to break up/prevent a fight from starting. About 100 kids were watching, some yelling for me to kick the kid's ass. And initially, that is what your gut reaction is when someone tries to hit you...Anyhow, seeing their science teacher armbar a kid and press him against a locker while he was yelling that he was going to "fucking kill" the other guy was, apparently, not something they'd seen before. But they thought it was amazing that I knew how to do that. Some kids think their teachers fell right off the teacher wagon - that they never drank, never partied, never lived basically. This might sound kind of corny - but I was able to connect with some kids better after that incident, and in some cases was able to help change the glamourized perspective they had on fighting (we actually had a fight club at our school last year - these guys thought I'd actually be interested in refereeing it...unfortunately I reported it instead.) But you never know what part of your past might let you connect with a kid and turn him to the right path. That's the one thing I do love about teaching in a school in the middle of the city - you deal with a huge range of kids, from the richest to the poorest - one minute I might be talking to the parent of a kid who drives a new mercedes to school about colleges, the next minute I am helping a Crip with electron configurations. Anyhow, back to the point at hand, I might sound like a hardass - and with some classes I am - I basically work them into submission during the first 3 or so weeks - but in all honesty, we have a lot of fun in my classes. So long as people follow that golden rule. And never, ever let me see them picking on someone.
Ok, my speech is done. Thanks for the comments everyone - it actually does mean a lot to see that there is still respect for what I've chosen to do with my life. Especially know, when I think almost daily about the fact that I would have finished my PhD and been a college professor over 4 years ago if I hadn't quit after a couple years. So, thanks again.
Heh..thanks. I'm pretty hardcore on some things, but not on others. Respect is the key word, and if you are being disrespectful to someone, or, god forbid, picking on someone, there will be a situation. I am the one they tend to send the behaviorally disorded freshmen too actually, so there is a downside to having a reputation like this - you get a lot of pains in the ass to deal with, but with some structure and patience you can make some real progress with even the most 'hardened' kid. Ironically, the thing that seems to have boosted the respect I get from the at-risk kids (the ones who are always fighting and whatnot) was last year when a kid swung at me as I was trying to break up/prevent a fight from starting. About 100 kids were watching, some yelling for me to kick the kid's ass. And initially, that is what your gut reaction is when someone tries to hit you...Anyhow, seeing their science teacher armbar a kid and press him against a locker while he was yelling that he was going to "fucking kill" the other guy was, apparently, not something they'd seen before. But they thought it was amazing that I knew how to do that. Some kids think their teachers fell right off the teacher wagon - that they never drank, never partied, never lived basically. This might sound kind of corny - but I was able to connect with some kids better after that incident, and in some cases was able to help change the glamourized perspective they had on fighting (we actually had a fight club at our school last year - these guys thought I'd actually be interested in refereeing it...unfortunately I reported it instead.) But you never know what part of your past might let you connect with a kid and turn him to the right path. That's the one thing I do love about teaching in a school in the middle of the city - you deal with a huge range of kids, from the richest to the poorest - one minute I might be talking to the parent of a kid who drives a new mercedes to school about colleges, the next minute I am helping a Crip with electron configurations. Anyhow, back to the point at hand, I might sound like a hardass - and with some classes I am - I basically work them into submission during the first 3 or so weeks - but in all honesty, we have a lot of fun in my classes. So long as people follow that golden rule. And never, ever let me see them picking on someone.
Ok, my speech is done. Thanks for the comments everyone - it actually does mean a lot to see that there is still respect for what I've chosen to do with my life. Especially know, when I think almost daily about the fact that I would have finished my PhD and been a college professor over 4 years ago if I hadn't quit after a couple years. So, thanks again.
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Meh I hated teachers who had nothign better to do than be idiots just to be an idiot. I'm not commenting on anyone here either but I had this teacher in highschool that was a real hardass, he absolutely loved giving me a hard time for what reason I can't fathom I was his top student. But either way he'd always be punishing me or trying to deduct marks from my tests because of little bullshit things he could find but I ultimately spoke to the principal and had the marks put back on and passed that class witha 99% grade but thanks to that math teacher I was inelligble for an advanced math class because he wouldn't sign for me. He instead wanted me to take anotehr math class before taking the advanced math class which I think was total bullshit.
There were two classes you could take one was like math regular and the other was math for retards. Somehow I got stuck in the math for retards class but they're the same class, the regular class just has a couple extra things in the course the other one didn't. I don't know if they still do it that way but the reason for the two classes were for those with difficulty and those who didn't but the regular course was worth more in term of credits. Anyway, about 2 weeks into the math for retards class I realized I didn't belong there since I was litteraly scoring perfect on everything without even trying, that's what got my teacher I think, the fact I didnt' have to study to get these scores so he was on my case the whole semester and wouldn't let me switch, idiot.
There were two classes you could take one was like math regular and the other was math for retards. Somehow I got stuck in the math for retards class but they're the same class, the regular class just has a couple extra things in the course the other one didn't. I don't know if they still do it that way but the reason for the two classes were for those with difficulty and those who didn't but the regular course was worth more in term of credits. Anyway, about 2 weeks into the math for retards class I realized I didn't belong there since I was litteraly scoring perfect on everything without even trying, that's what got my teacher I think, the fact I didnt' have to study to get these scores so he was on my case the whole semester and wouldn't let me switch, idiot.
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Heh... neato. Yeah I have a lot of respect for teachers. It's a fucken hard job and most teachers don't get paid what I think they should. It's not something I could ever handle. I'm not a people person, much less a room full of 30 retarded people person.tnf wrote:
What kind of classes do you teach anyway, out of curiosity? I take it Science is one of them... anything else?
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Some interesting videos (not mine):
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps1mp4.mp4
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps2mp4.mp4
http://www.superhandz.com/images/penspinfini.wmv
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps1mp4.mp4
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps2mp4.mp4
http://www.superhandz.com/images/penspinfini.wmv
I respect teachers who are intelligent and in control. I had this one dude who looked and sounded like this guy:tnf wrote:Heh..thanks. I'm pretty hardcore on some things, but not on others. Respect is the key word, and if you are being disrespectful to someone, or, god forbid, picking on someone, there will be a situation. I am the one they tend to send the behaviorally disorded freshmen too actually, so there is a downside to having a reputation like this - you get a lot of pains in the ass to deal with, but with some structure and patience you can make some real progress with even the most 'hardened' kid. Ironically, the thing that seems to have boosted the respect I get from the at-risk kids (the ones who are always fighting and whatnot) was last year when a kid swung at me as I was trying to break up/prevent a fight from starting. About 100 kids were watching, some yelling for me to kick the kid's ass. And initially, that is what your gut reaction is when someone tries to hit you...Anyhow, seeing their science teacher armbar a kid and press him against a locker while he was yelling that he was going to "fucking kill" the other guy was, apparently, not something they'd seen before. But they thought it was amazing that I knew how to do that. Some kids think their teachers fell right off the teacher wagon - that they never drank, never partied, never lived basically. This might sound kind of corny - but I was able to connect with some kids better after that incident, and in some cases was able to help change the glamourized perspective they had on fighting (we actually had a fight club at our school last year - these guys thought I'd actually be interested in refereeing it...unfortunately I reported it instead.) But you never know what part of your past might let you connect with a kid and turn him to the right path. That's the one thing I do love about teaching in a school in the middle of the city - you deal with a huge range of kids, from the richest to the poorest - one minute I might be talking to the parent of a kid who drives a new mercedes to school about colleges, the next minute I am helping a Crip with electron configurations. Anyhow, back to the point at hand, I might sound like a hardass - and with some classes I am - I basically work them into submission during the first 3 or so weeks - but in all honesty, we have a lot of fun in my classes. So long as people follow that golden rule. And never, ever let me see them picking on someone.mrd wrote:
Ok, my speech is done. Thanks for the comments everyone - it actually does mean a lot to see that there is still respect for what I've chosen to do with my life. Especially know, when I think almost daily about the fact that I would have finished my PhD and been a college professor over 4 years ago if I hadn't quit after a couple years. So, thanks again.
He was fucking insane.
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ToxicBug wrote:Some interesting videos (not mine):
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps1mp4.mp4
http://www.handlordzstore.com/ps2mp4.mp4
http://www.superhandz.com/images/penspinfini.wmv
Teachers who have only ever been teachers are fucking useless. How do you teach beyond a very simplistic level if you don't truly know the profession you're trying to pass on?Survivor wrote:Teachers are indeed to be respected. What I hate however is people from real businesses being put in front of classes. They can't keep order and hardly know how to teach the way it sticks with you.
The best teachers are those who have worked their trade (be it woodwork, history, geography, mathematics, whatever) and then moved into teaching with the ability to control a class.
Although, beyond high school the control of your pupils just isn't an issue. Since they elect to attend, you always have the option of turfind them out. With mandatory schooling it's quite different.
That might be because they know what matters, but there are those that know and those that can transfer that knowledge. Sadly every teacher I encountered that originated purely from a business sucked at teaching. There will be those that can but I haven't yet had one of that kind in front of my classes.
hey nobodys perfect
but if your intentions are honest and you are open to move forward and evolve without being harshly judgemental
its fine no?
i didnt enjoy watching some teachers that were mixed up.
they would see something in a student, something that reminded them of something from themselves. something another authuritive figure mean'ed out of them.
they then proceded to mentalliy beat that outta them.
jus sayn
but if your intentions are honest and you are open to move forward and evolve without being harshly judgemental
its fine no?
i didnt enjoy watching some teachers that were mixed up.
they would see something in a student, something that reminded them of something from themselves. something another authuritive figure mean'ed out of them.
they then proceded to mentalliy beat that outta them.
jus sayn
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I'll forever be grateful to any and all teachers that -- even if they were hardasses -- were genuinely concerned with students' learning and wellbeing. I have a lot of respect for teachers, and I probably will only have more when I start doing it. So well done.
Thankfully, I'll just be teaching college and up, because I doubt I could handle high schoolers. I don't have the balls. :icon26:
I'll forever be grateful to any and all teachers that -- even if they were hardasses -- were genuinely concerned with students' learning and wellbeing. I have a lot of respect for teachers, and I probably will only have more when I start doing it. So well done.
Thankfully, I'll just be teaching college and up, because I doubt I could handle high schoolers. I don't have the balls. :icon26:
Foo wrote:Teachers who have only ever been teachers are fucking useless. How do you teach beyond a very simplistic level if you don't truly know the profession you're trying to pass on?Survivor wrote:Teachers are indeed to be respected. What I hate however is people from real businesses being put in front of classes. They can't keep order and hardly know how to teach the way it sticks with you.
The best teachers are those who have worked their trade (be it woodwork, history, geography, mathematics, whatever) and then moved into teaching with the ability to control a class.
Although, beyond high school the control of your pupils just isn't an issue. Since they elect to attend, you always have the option of turfind them out. With mandatory schooling it's quite different.
Well...I wasn't only ever a teacher. But beyond that, in many cases its not a profession you are passing on, it's learning how to learn that is being passed on. That is what most kids need to get from their pre-college education, learning how to be a self-sufficient learner. Not saying content isn't important, but it is not the case that EVERY teacher needs to have been out doing something else before teaching...we're not talking trade schools here. What I do think, though, is that every science teacher should be required to have a very strong background in their subject, as opposed to going through one of those programs designed to make you a high school science teacher that just has you taking a few classes from each subject and very few difficult upper division classes. I know some folks who barely know more than what they teach the class...ugh.
I think you're coming up on exactly my point here, and I think you should be able to see that if you feel this is the case with science, it stands that it's equally the case with all subjects, including those you don't teach or give a shit about.tnf wrote:What I do think, though, is that every science teacher should be required to have a very strong background in their subject, as opposed to going through one of those programs designed to make you a high school science teacher that just has you taking a few classes from each subject and very few difficult upper division classes. I know some folks who barely know more than what they teach the class...ugh.
Schooling becomes far less effective when the teaching of subjects gets abstracted from the practical applications. Which is why teachers at all levels should have a very strong background in their subject(s).
Foo wrote:I think you're coming up on exactly my point here, and I think you should be able to see that if you feel this is the case with science, it stands that it's equally the case with all subjects, including those you don't teach or give a shit about.tnf wrote:What I do think, though, is that every science teacher should be required to have a very strong background in their subject, as opposed to going through one of those programs designed to make you a high school science teacher that just has you taking a few classes from each subject and very few difficult upper division classes. I know some folks who barely know more than what they teach the class...ugh.
Schooling becomes far less effective when the teaching of subjects gets abstracted from the practical applications. Which is why teachers at all levels should have a very strong background in their subject(s).
Why do you think I wouldn't think that way about all subjects? I'm getting at the point that a teacher doesn't necessarily need to have been practicing a career in their field outside of teaching it to be effective, but that they should be highly educated - beyond knowing only what is required to teach high school. On the flip side, there are a lot of people extremely educated in their subject that can't teach worth a damn. But yes, a teacher who can consistently bring in practical applications of the knowledge they are bestowing upon their students will be much more effective than one who cannot. I'm lucky in that I've got some practical experience in research, writing, computer science and whatnot - a broad background that helps me to make connections with what we are doing in class and keep kids interested. Its not always easy though.