For once I agree with him, did we really need a Nazi pope to tell us there is no God?The Vatican newspaper has published an article saying "intelligent design" is not science and that teaching it alongside evolutionary theory in school classrooms only creates confusion.
The article in Tuesday's editions of L'Osservatore Romano was the latest in a series of interventions by Vatican officials _ including the pope _ on the issue that has dominated headlines in the United States.
The author, Fiorenzo Facchini, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Bologna, laid out the scientific rationale for Darwin's theory of evolution, saying that in the scientific world, biological evolution "represents the interpretative key of the history of life on Earth."
He lamented that certain American "creationists" had brought the debate back to the "dogmatic" 1800s, and said their arguments weren't science but ideology.
"This isn't how science is done," he wrote. "If the model proposed by Darwin is deemed insufficient, one should look for another, but it's not correct from a methodological point of view to take oneself away from the scientific field pretending to do science."
Intelligent design "doesn't belong to science and the pretext that it be taught as a scientific theory alongside Darwin's explanation is unjustified," he wrote.
"It only creates confusion between the scientific and philosophical and religious planes."
Supporters of "intelligent design" hold that some features of the universe and living things are so complex they must have been designed by a higher intelligence. Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism _ a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation _ camouflaged in scientific language and say it does not belong in science curriculum.
Facchini said he recognized some Darwin proponents erroneously assume that evolution explains everything. "Better to recognize that the problem from the scientific point of view remains open," he said.
But he concluded: "In a vision that goes beyond the empirical horizon, we can say that we aren't men by chance or by necessity, and that the human experience has a sense and a direction signaled by a superior design."
The article echoed similar arguments by the Vatican's chief astronomer, the Rev. George Coyne, who said "intelligent design" wasn't science and had no place in school classrooms.
Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed in off-the-cuff comments in November that the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticized those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or order.
Pope Adolf: intelligent design is not science
Pope Adolf: intelligent design is not science
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Well, the Nazis were concoting their own religion, Hitler was actually writing up a new religion to replace Christianity. They felt oppressed by the Judeo-Christian tradition and wanted something more palatable to Germans. They were really into King Arthur and their old German legends. I never read Hitler's treatise, but I bet it's bizarre.
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So was everyone else at the time, including my grandma (in the girls department obviously, Jungmädelbund or whatever the name was). She was trained to shoot Bazookas. Her three husbands all fought in the war (although on different sides) and my grandfather on the other side was in the Afrika Korps and in Russia when Africa was lost. None of them were Nazis.Pooinyourmouth wrote: He was a Hitler Youth....
Edit: Actually, forget all that, you're obviously just retarded.
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No not everyone else was a Hitler Youth at the time. My gradparants got the fuck out of Germany before all the shit hit the fan.SplishSplash wrote:So was everyone else at the time, including my grandma (in the girls department obviously, Jungmädelbund or whatever the name was). She was trained to shoot Bazookas. Her three husbands all fought in the war (although on different sides) and my grandfather on the other side was in the Afrika Korps and in Russia when Africa was lost. None of them were Nazis.Pooinyourmouth wrote: He was a Hitler Youth....
Edit: Actually, forget all that, you're obviously just retarded.
Aside from that... I was just commenting on why everyone else was calling him (the pope) a nazi. It wasn't my opinion, but you can take it out of context if is makes you feel any better. After all, you are the one who asked why he was being called a nazi by the other people posting.
Edit: Actually, forget all that, you obviously knew he was a Hitler Youth and just wanted to bait somebody into saying why, so you would have an excuse to spit out all that crap.
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this is where bush and his cronies are fucking up. you can say a lot of things against hitler, but you can't fault his knack for brand awareness. the war on terra needs a logo.mik0rs wrote:Sort of. But not really. Not Christian anyway. Hence the use of the Swastica as an icon all ove the place, which was taken from some Tibetan mysticism.
4days wrote:this is where bush and his cronies are fucking up. you can say a lot of things against hitler, but you can't fault his knack for brand awareness. the war on terra needs a logo.mik0rs wrote:Sort of. But not really. Not Christian anyway. Hence the use of the Swastica as an icon all ove the place, which was taken from some Tibetan mysticism.
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well seeing how every uniform, classroom, library and 7/11 has a yank flag displayed somewhere, theyre not far off4days wrote:this is where bush and his cronies are fucking up. you can say a lot of things against hitler, but you can't fault his knack for brand awareness. the war on terra needs a logo.mik0rs wrote:Sort of. But not really. Not Christian anyway. Hence the use of the Swastica as an icon all ove the place, which was taken from some Tibetan mysticism.
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What do you know about Hitler Youth? You can't really compare the experience of your grandparents with the experience of SplishSplash's, nor can you reduce all "Hitler Youth" or their parents to some kind of fanatical followers of Hitler.Pooinyourmouth wrote:No not everyone else was a Hitler Youth at the time. My gradparants got the fuck out of Germany before all the shit hit the fan.SplishSplash wrote:So was everyone else at the time, including my grandma (in the girls department obviously, Jungmädelbund or whatever the name was). She was trained to shoot Bazookas. Her three husbands all fought in the war (although on different sides) and my grandfather on the other side was in the Afrika Korps and in Russia when Africa was lost. None of them were Nazis.Pooinyourmouth wrote: He was a Hitler Youth....
Edit: Actually, forget all that, you're obviously just retarded.
Aside from that... I was just commenting on why everyone else was calling him (the pope) a nazi. It wasn't my opinion, but you can take it out of context if is makes you feel any better. After all, you are the one who asked why he was being called a nazi by the other people posting.
Edit: Actually, forget all that, you obviously knew he was a Hitler Youth and just wanted to bait somebody into saying why, so you would have an excuse to spit out all that crap.
Nazi-era German families were reorganized in such a way that community took precedence over the nuclear family. Impressionable children were raised in an environment heavily under the influence of state propaganda. This isn't to suggest that mom and dad didn't matter in Nazi Germany, but every member of the family usually belonged to some kind of hypernationalist state-sponsored gendered organization that taught decent Germans how to be loyal Nazis. While men and women (parents), oppressed and desperate after years of the Weimar regime, joined their respective clubs after work, on the weekend, whenever, the state took over education and parenting of impressionable children.
For most Germans, Nazism had nothing to do with a fanatical devotion to the Fuhrer, but a way out of poverty... sorta like Roosevelt's "New Deal" in this country. Had Roosevelt not died of Polio and been a decent person, America could have just as easily followed the same path as Germany. To call the current pope a Nazi because he was brainwashed as a member of die Hitler-Jungend along with however many thousands or millions of other young children is just stupid.
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I thought that the swastika was an aesthetic choice made by Hitler. My understanding was that he wanted a recognizable symbol so he chose one very close to the catholic cross and then altered it very slightly to fit his needs.mik0rs wrote:Sort of. But not really. Not Christian anyway. Hence the use of the Swastica as an icon all ove the place, which was taken from some Tibetan mysticism.ToxicBug wrote:Nazi were actually religious...
nay, its a hindu symbol, only mirrored
its really weird too, when i was in thailand there are temples and stuff with huge banners with swastika's on them and while it feels kinda creepy for us, it feels very peaceful and secure for them
its really weird too, when i was in thailand there are temples and stuff with huge banners with swastika's on them and while it feels kinda creepy for us, it feels very peaceful and secure for them
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Gee, that sounds an awful lot like 1984.Dave wrote:Nazi-era German families were reorganized in such a way that community took precedence over the nuclear family. Impressionable children were raised in an environment heavily under the influence of state propaganda. This isn't to suggest that mom and dad didn't matter in Nazi Germany, but every member of the family usually belonged to some kind of hypernationalist state-sponsored gendered organization that taught decent Germans how to be loyal Nazis. While men and women (parents), oppressed and desperate after years of the Weimar regime, joined their respective clubs after work, on the weekend, whenever, the state took over education and parenting of impressionable children.