Article: Firefox Security

Post by **raw** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:07 am

From Site wrote:There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). Another reason why I think that Firefox would hold up pretty well is because it does not offer any support for VBScript or ActiveX. Many of the worst exploits against Internet Explorer have taken advantage of security holes in these two technologies. Likewise, Firefox does not use Microsoft's Java VM, which has a history of having more security problems than other Java VMs.

I read this article and thought this guy was a total moron. The fact that he brought up the MS Java VM shows what kind of idiot he really is. Everyone knows MS lost to Sun over Java and they had to discontinue MS Java per a court order.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:11 am

So is it safe or not?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:17 am

generally it's safer than IE, but that's mostly because IE is more targeted.

Post by **Dave** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:30 am

The open source evangelist I work with quit FF cold turkey because he thinks the current dev leaders are morons. He uses IE now

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:08 am

TRAYTORE!!

Post by **BlueGene** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:11 am

I liked Microsoft's Java better, Sun's seems to be slower. But yeah the guy is an idiot for even mentioning it.

Post by **prince1000** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:24 am

im thinking opera soon...again

Post by **menkent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:49 am

opera still has problems with formatting and javascript stuff. there are lots of sites where the menus and whatnot are all messed up. i still use it for almost everything though, and switch to firefox or ie only when something doesn't work.

Post by **prince1000** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:07 am

its adfree now, no?? i think i have v8 and a free serial anyway...somewhere

Post by **menkent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:22 am

yea, it went ad-free afaik.

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:57 am

BlueGene wrote:I liked Microsoft's Java better, Sun's seems to be slower. But yeah the guy is an idiot for even mentioning it.

You're joking right? I'm in no way an MS hater or anything, but when it comes to performance, MS' java vm is awful compared to Sun's java implementation.

Post by **raw** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:55 am

Actually he's right. Sun Java takes A LOT longer to load versus the MS Java. I noticed this because now when Java loads for the first time, it lags everything until that dumb ass Sun logo goes away.

Post by **r3t** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:29 pm

while it's true that the initial load time of the Sun VM is longer, the runtime performance is a LOT better than the MS VM. Try map24 with the MS vm and you'll see what I mean.

Post by **Fender** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:20 pm

Personally I think FF 1.5 is a piece of shit. Tabs lock up, the entire thing freezes. I guess I'll start uninstalling my plugins one by one.

And yes, Sun's JVM is slower to load, but much faster during run time. And if you are talking about server side usage, is it even more so as Sun's hot spot server JVM is more aggressive about pre-compilation and keeping often used code compiled in memory. Also Sun is addressing the start up time issue for 1.6. It should be much faster to start.

Then of course, you've got JVMs like JRockit from BEA. I forget who they aquired to get it. Anyway, it is even slower to load, but much much faster again. It precompiles all code but keeps it all around for fast access. It also has advanced heuristics for garbage collection and such. Unfortunately, quite a few of third party monitoring apps aren't quite compatible with it yet. Also, JRockit is going to be the first JVM with support for runtime Aspects. If you know what that is, then you already know powerful that will be. If you don't know, then you will probably never care.

Post by **Giraffe }{unter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:39 pm

raw wrote:Source

From Site wrote:There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). Another reason why I think that Firefox would hold up pretty well is because it does not offer any support for VBScript or ActiveX. Many of the worst exploits against Internet Explorer have taken advantage of security holes in these two technologies. Likewise, Firefox does not use Microsoft's Java VM, which has a history of having more security problems than other Java VMs.
I read this article and thought this guy was a total moron. The fact that he brought up the MS Java VM shows what kind of idiot he really is. Everyone knows MS lost to Sun over Java and they had to discontinue MS Java per a court order.

After reading "There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). "

I thought yeah... well researched article

Post by **SOAPboy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:15 pm

maxthon ftw

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:30 pm

whats everyone scared of anyways? so if someone hacks into ur shit...so fucking what?...

Post by **Scourge** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:31 pm

Fender wrote:Personally I think FF 1.5 is a piece of shit. Tabs lock up, the entire thing freezes. I guess I'll start uninstalling my plugins one by one.

Really? Haven't had that happen yet. It may be a dodgy plugin, but I see you already thought of that.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:00 pm

the only issue have with FF even thru 1.5 is the atrocious memory leakage. no, not a plug-in problem.

Post by **diego** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:23 pm

"real men use Opera"

Post by **Fender** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:36 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:the only issue have with FF even thru 1.5 is the atrocious memory leakage. no, not a plug-in problem.

Why... whatever do you mean?

Post by **prince1000** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:37 pm

wtf, ive never had a memory issue with ff. but, there are some sites that just fuck my cpu, like ggl's for instance. i dont know if ie is any better and its just the site, but sometimes ff will go bullshit.

edit: after installing opera last night and it making horde looke like shit ive decided i would go back to IE if only it had tabbed browsing.

Post by **menkent** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:56 pm

i thought the newest IE *did* have tabbed browsing (which i don't use, but whatever)

ps - anyone have a shitty old monitor they want to mail me? i've only got one and i'm too lazy to crawl under my desk to swap out cables every time i want to boot my loonix box.

Post by **prince1000** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:22 pm

vnc

and ie 7 beta does i think but...

Post by **raw** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:48 pm

IE7 is supposed to have tabbed browsing in it and in Vista it does. If you want tabbed browsing for IE6 you need to install the latest MSN toolbar with Windows Desktop Search. With the toolbar they were able enable tabbed browsing.

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