Xbox 360 HD DVD to be an external device

Post by **o'dium** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:39 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
o'dium wrote:
Dave wrote:I'm sure a lot of people would like to use their xbox or PS3 to play HD content (read: not video games). 100 gigs or whatever doesn't go far in that case...
Yes, but again, thats a DVD film. The PS3 cant play them because it stuck to some odd format, but will probably release a player like the 360 will have.

huh? ps3 will be able to play regular dvd's.

A hd dvd.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:43 pm

not sure what you're on about with hd dvd because the PS3, and Sony in particular, will not have anything to do with it.

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:47 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
o'dium wrote:Hold on...

If sony shunted HDDVD in favour of blu-ray, then why would sony themselves release a plug in HD DVD player...?

rofl what?

let it go man... I did

Post by **o'dium** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:16 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:not sure what you're on about with hd dvd because the PS3, and Sony in particular, will not have anything to do with it.

Thats exactly what i just said well done. Which is why the only way PS3 will be able to watch it, is with a third party device.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:27 pm

o'dium wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:not sure what you're on about with hd dvd because the PS3, and Sony in particular, will not have anything to do with it.
Thats exactly what i just said well done. Which is why the only way PS3 will be able to watch it, is with a third party device.

most of the movie studios back both formats. your point is moot.

Post by **K-mart Shopper** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:17 pm

So how will having a HD-DVD drive hooked up to a 360 be more beneficial than a standalone player?

They could make a external toaster attachment utilizing the 360's powerful processing power to make perfect toast every time.

:icon27:

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:22 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
most of the movie studios back both formats. your point is moot.

Off topic:

How many normal people do you think will be interested in wading through 3 formats (HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and standard DVD) at the video store to rent a movie? IMO, the majority of the consumer market aren't early adopters and this format fiasco is going to piss a lot of people off.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:59 pm

It doesn't matter. Sony are banking on blu ray taking off because they plan on putting a PS3 in alot of homes. However the PS3 doesn't even work atm. It's surposed to be out in 3 months but insiders are saying it'll be closer to being next christmas.

If sony cant count on all those blu ray using units being in peoples houses they're going to be fucked when it comes to a format war.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:05 pm

Tormentius wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
most of the movie studios back both formats. your point is moot.
Off topic:

How many normal people do you think will be interested in wading through 3 formats (HD-DVD, Blu-ray, and standard DVD) at the video store to rent a movie? IMO, the majority of the consumer market aren't early adopters and this format fiasco is going to piss a lot of people off.

the majority has never been early adopters. who cares. they'll come around eventually, it's only a matter of time.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:06 pm

K-mart Shopper wrote:So how will having a HD-DVD drive hooked up to a 360 be more beneficial than a standalone player?

who said anything about it being more beneficial?

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:08 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
the majority has never been early adopters. who cares. they'll come around eventually, it's only a matter of time.

Consumers will "come around" when the industry pulls their collective heads out of their ass and decide on a format. Remember that the average folks don't necessarily buy into tech just because its new, shiny, and companies are pushing it. We saw this with laserdiscs and minidiscs already.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:10 pm

we've already gone over this. again, most of the studios are doing both, the "war" is no longer an issue with universal players.

moot argument.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:15 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:we've already gone over this. again, most of the studios are doing both, the "war" is no longer an issue with universal players.

moot argument.

Not really. The average consumer is going to be confused by choosing between three formats when buying or renting a movie. You saw how long it took for people to shift from tape to CD and from VHS to DVD and neither of those involved a choice of multiple formats (while both held more gains for consumers). IMO (and the opinion of many from what I've read), both formats will be a flop until one is decided on.

I'm betting that video rentals are going to really take a dive from this move by the industry, and the ones that will hurt the most are small businesses.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:18 pm

they'll not be any more confused than having to choose between no less than 6 types of flash media cards. i don't see any of those formats dying.

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:20 pm

Tormentius is right on this one.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:24 pm

i guess we'll wait and see. i'll be getting what i want, that's what counts.

Post by **MKJ** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:58 pm

K-mart Shopper wrote:So how will having a HD-DVD drive hooked up to a 360 be more beneficial than a standalone player?

technically not more beneficial, but it is cheaper innit

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:47 pm

Personally I can't wait for the 1.6 TB holographic dvds to come out.

And as for the 100 GB or what not, ya that would easily be chewed up by HD content when watching movies. Imagine a full DVD of content plus the bonus DVD on one disk, that's 18 GB of data right there. Then multiply it by 4 cause HD is 4x the resolution, then factor in less compression for better quality image and you are basically at 100 GB, which afaik the HDDVD format doesn't even support that much space anyway, it's like 20GB or so.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:52 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:i guess we'll wait and see. i'll be getting what i want, that's what counts.

which is what?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:56 pm

high def movies without having to buy a standalone player.

Post by **BlueGene** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:41 am

Well actually consumers at one point did have a choice for video formats/players. It was either Betamax or VHS.

The VHS format's defeat of the Betamax format became a classic marketing case study, now identified with the verbal phrase "to Betamax", wherein a proprietary technology format is overwhelmed in the market by a format allowing multiple, competing, licensed manufacturers, as in: "Apple Betamaxed themselves out of the PC market." Sony's confidence in its ability to dictate the industry standard backfired when JVC made the tactical decision to engage in open sharing of its VHS technology. JVC sacrificed substantial potential earnings by going the open sharing route, but that decision ultimately won the standards war. By 1984, forty companies utilized the VHS format in comparison with Betamax's twelve. Sony finally conceded defeat in 1988 when it too began producing VHS recorders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax#Th ... of_Betamax

Also take a look a this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray_Disc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

Also interesting point:

Sources at Hewlett Packard and other industry groups claim that Microsoft and Intel are misleading consumers about the Blu-Ray Disc format and offering bonuses to PC retailers to support HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. [3] [4] Blu-Ray also receives support from some cinema companies, and is slated to be the standard media format for the PlayStation 3. The failure to include HD-DVD support in the Xbox 360 has been widely criticized in the press, although a HD-DVD drive will be sold as an external accessory in the future. [5] [6] [7] [8]

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:42 pm

also we had the cdi/vcd thing, and the .. uh.. vcd and something else-cd.. yet the players were universal within 2 months

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:49 pm

nobody paid attention to those though. they weren't going to be a must have format.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:55 pm

MKJ wrote:also we had the cdi/vcd thing, and the .. uh.. vcd and something else-cd.. yet the players were universal within 2 months

but thats because vcds and cdis had the same physical size no?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:12 pm

Chupacabra wrote:
MKJ wrote:also we had the cdi/vcd thing, and the .. uh.. vcd and something else-cd.. yet the players were universal within 2 months
but thats because vcds and cdis had the same physical size no?

and hd dvd and blu-ray do not?