New Orleans police at it again

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Turbine
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Post by Turbine »

Dark Metal wrote:If you try to kill a cop, you deserve to get shot 10, 20, 50, 100 times. Tazers are for bullshit rent-a-cops. You're out there everyday putting your life on the line just so some head case with a knife can try and kill you, but you have to tazer him? Fuck that. I wouldn't take any chances if someone were trying to kill me.
Exactly, I do not see how this event raises any discusions.
He should have been mowed down with a machine gun.

When it comes to someones life, you dont fuck with it.
Teach him a lesson, or two.
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StormShadow
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Post by StormShadow »

The issue I have with this is that the cops were well within their rights to shoot the guy, but they didn't have to.
R00k
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Post by R00k »

Yep. It's fair enough to look at the situation and empathize with the cops, and know that you probably would have done the same thing.

But in this day and age, a cop could also kill someone for holding a can opener or a stout ink pen, and not even be questioned about it.

Maybe in a few years, cops will be able to shoot people for simply saying they want to injure them.

I'm all for cops protecting their own lives. But in a lot of these cases I get the impression that people think cops' lives are more valuable than anyone else's, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Dave
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Post by Dave »

Irrelevant because the guy was not holding a can opener or a stout ink pen. He was holding a knife and he attempted to use it.
R00k
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Post by R00k »

I didn't say it was relevant. But it will be one day....
Canis
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Post by Canis »

Dave wrote:Irrelevant because the guy was not holding a can opener or a stout ink pen. He was holding a knife and he attempted to use it.
This is the case, but what Rook is saying is relevant in that he's pointing out cops may resort to certain actions almost procedurally when in some cases (not all, and not necessarily this one) there is the option to err on the side of hesitation and resort to non-lethal alternatives.

I dont know what happened here, but for the cop to nearly get stabbed he'd have to have been very close to the guy (unless the guy took a running start). If this was the case I'd think the cops should have held their distance and waited for proper non-lethal alternatives to present themselves. Cops do take it upon themselves to end a situation swiftly, but in doing this they rush in and in many cases antagonize the situation, escalating it instead of making things calmer. This isnt to say they arent in the right to rush in, but being the ones with the authorized use of deadly force, I think they should be responsible for exhausing EVERY non-lethal alternative before resorting to such measures. If this takes a 2-3 day standoff, then so be it.

Cops should be there primarily to keep other citezens safe, and that would be keeping them away from this guy until he's safely subduable (seeing that he had a knife and was thus contained to the extent of his arm, unlike if he had a firearm). The more distructive law enforcement mindset is to force him into submission, which causes an escalation of emotions and can lead to more violence.
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