Random Thought #30

[andyman]

I have figured out conciousness. Well the key to conciousness. With this information I shall use it to create an artificial conciousness.

I would like to bring us back to his topic sentence. How will you use this information to create an artificial consciousness, kracus?

[Guest]

Automatic functions in the brain are keeping your body alive. (heart pumping, breathing etc.... regenerating cells or slowing they're rate of decay, replacing new ones.... you get the idea)

All these process are happening in the brain creating an array of information which if processed right could create something tangible in the mind along with non automatic processes that react to what's being analyzed. Maybe that's how the subconcious works, not sure. but it's that constantly changing and evolving set of signals being analyzed that creates the "movement" or the spark to start this thing called consciousness, This is along the lines that I'm thinking anyway.

You need to do some reading on brain function...

The brain doesn't 'slow the rate of cellular decay' for example...

if you are going to go into the details of how hte brain works to create consciousness and the subconscious and whatnot, you really need to have a pretty extensive understanding of how the brain works. This is a prime example of something I mentioned earlier...before you can really get into some groundbreaking ideas, you need to have a fundamental understanding of the systems you are dealing with. I think you'd make a much more persuasive argument if you demonstrated basic knowledge of science first..

Yeah I agree with you there but I think ultimately you can boil down the brains functions really with the fact that it sends and receives signals. What type of signals and what rate and how much is something that is comletely a mystery to me for sure, but I think the key just lies in knowing that it's all a bunch of signals sent and received. Knowing how each part of the brain interacts with the rest would give me a better idea on how to apply it to a program code however. So I do agree with you. but I just don't have that knowledge right now.

[losCHUNK]

i found something out too

so long as i had 15 mins warning i can survive a meteor strike that would normally kill the earth

[Guest]

I have figured out conciousness. Well the key to conciousness. With this information I shall use it to create an artificial conciousness.

I would like to bring us back to his topic sentence. How will you use this information to create an artificial consciousness, kracus?

Well I think that the whole idea of creating a physical body for an AI is critical to creating an AI. I don't think a simple program running on a computer will ever be artificialy intelligent unless it's in a virtual world and has a virtual body of sometype. And in this body there needs to be a constant, something to move forward so to speak, it doesn't neccessarily need ot be dying, just the motion needs to be mimiced to create the spark that'll lead to AI.

[Hannibal]

Neither science, philosophy or hell even alchemy has been able to shed one dollop of light on the question of how matter can generate 1st-person subjective states (consciousness). We've been fucking about with this for oh say well over 2500 yrs. You may want to examine the history of this problem in a little more depth....just for shits n giggles.

[tnf]

Neither science, philosophy or hell even alchemy has been able to shed one dollop of light on the question of how matter can generate 1st-person subjective states (consciousness). We've been fucking about with this for oh say well over 2500 yrs. You may want to examine the history of this problem in a little more depth....just for shits n giggles.

True...I was referring to kracus getting a better understanding about brain function in general, not that he could read up on how consciousness arises out of a manifestation of various physiological/chemical phenomena...

[Guest]

Well that's kinda what I'm saying... I'm just saying that phenomena is caused by the fact that the organism producing the various physiological/chemical is because it's aging.

[Hannibal]

Well that's kinda what I'm saying... I'm just saying that phenomena is caused by the fact that the organism producing the various physiological/chemical is because it's aging.

Bob's big fat body producing chemicals/signals as a response to 'dying' (whatever this actually could mean) doesn't tell us anything at all about consciousness...other than reminding us that, yes, consciousness is a feature of our lived (or dying) experience. Now that's not really news to anybody is it?

[mjrpes]

Neither science, philosophy or hell even alchemy has been able to shed one dollop of light on the question of how matter can generate 1st-person subjective states (consciousness). We've been fucking about with this for oh say well over 2500 yrs. You may want to examine the history of this problem in a little more depth....just for shits n giggles.

If you were going to teach a course on this exact problem, what 3 to 5 books would you require as reading?

EDIT: the only contemporary philosophy book I've read on the subject is "Mind in a Physical World" by Jaegwon Kim.

[Guest]

So in your view/thoughts, do you think that if we ‘’educate’’ a small species like rats or even a beetle to do some tasks as to get their food as in the ‘’Pavlov researches’’.
Do you think that going trough generations and generations of their procreations, that in a future time they may be more intelligent and thus transferring their knowledge to their new born and they could become more and more intelligent?

[farad]

So in your view/thoughts, do you think that if we ‘’educate’’ a small species like rats or even a beetle to do some tasks as to get their food as in the ‘’Pavlov researches’’.
Do you think that going trough generations and generations of their procreations, that in a future time they may be more intelligent and thus transferring their knowledge to their new born and they could become more and more intelligent?

...yes...

...take Kracus for example...
...a short two generation's ago he was a slug...

[Guest]

So in your view/thoughts, do you think that if we ‘’educate’’ a small species like rats or even a beetle to do some tasks as to get their food as in the ‘’Pavlov researches’’.
Do you think that going trough generations and generations of their procreations, that in a future time they may be more intelligent and thus transferring their knowledge to their new born and they could become more and more intelligent?

...yes...

...take Kracus for example...
...a short two generation's ago he was a slug...

Really? I thought starting with only rats and beetles was already quite challenging, but Kracus!!! Man!

[shadd_]

yeah pete he was a slug. he was reincarnated to a lower life form.

[Hannibal]

If you were going to teach a course on this exact problem, what 3 to 5 books would you require as reading?

Kinda late here so this will have to do for now:


Check me at Amazon.com

[Jackal]

lol. "the ability to fall"

It's called gravity you fucking cunt.

[Pext]

Without the ability to fall we wouldn't walk.

[plained]

could someone point me to the summery?

[andyman]

could someone point me to the summery?

sucrak was high

[Guest]

So in your view/thoughts, do you think that if we ‘’educate’’ a small species like rats or even a beetle to do some tasks as to get their food as in the ‘’Pavlov researches’’.
Do you think that going trough generations and generations of their procreations, that in a future time they may be more intelligent and thus transferring their knowledge to their new born and they could become more and more intelligent?

Well maybe artificialy, or over several million years?