Mexico to US 'fence' may happen after all

Post by **prince1000** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:28 am

nice thread

Post by ek » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:37 am

Post by **shaft** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:42 am

who is this alt, and why is he drooling everywhere?

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:57 am

inspired by the jews

Post by **bitWISE** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:18 am

One of those layers should be electrified like in Land of the Dead or Jurassic Park. The other layer should have motion-activated, heat-seeking laser cannons mounted in 50 yard increments.

Post by **Grudge** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:48 am

don't whiz on the electric fence

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:52 am

Eraser wrote:inspired by the jews

Like Grandfather, like grandson.

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:58 pm

just fence off the whole US

keep out the turrurists and keep in the jesus freaks

Post by **Grudge** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:06 pm

They should give Israel back to the Palestinians and move all the Jews to Texas and let them deal with the Mexicans instead, since they've got lots of experience with this kind of thing. That way you'd kill two birds with one stone.

Post by **4days** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:09 pm

Grudge wrote:They should give Israel back to the Palestinians and move all the Jews to Texas and let them deal with the Mexicans instead, since they've got lots of experience with this kind of thing. That way you'd kill two birds with one stone.

you should be made boss of the un with ideas like that.

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:13 pm

Grudge wrote:They should give Israel back to the Palestinians and move all the Jews to Texas and let them deal with the Mexicans instead, since they've got lots of experience with this kind of thing. That way you'd kill two birds with one stone.

Wasn't a lot of Palestinian land sold to the Israelis?

Anyway, I don't think that the fence is a bad idea, I just think that the government will fuck it up, just like everything else they touch. It does strike me funny that they'll move forward on a project like this, but they won't do shit about removing the incentives that draw many illegals here. I don't see any congresspukes trying to enact legislation to oh say, make companies pay wages that people can actually live on. Or, perhaps hammering the fuck out of companies that hire illegals.

Post by **Geebs** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:27 pm

4days wrote:
Grudge wrote:They should give Israel back to the Palestinians and move all the Jews to Texas and let them deal with the Mexicans instead, since they've got lots of experience with this kind of thing. That way you'd kill two birds with one stone.
you should be made boss of the un with ideas like that.

Speaking of which, how come Annan still has a job despite his nepotism and the corruption of his highly placed family members?

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:30 pm

NAFTA = mobile capital, static labour = reduction in wages and worker rights as transnationals shop around for the best deal

ironically, when labour 'shops around' for the best deal (so-called economic migrants), they are vilified by the same rightwing press who support the 'mobile capital, static labour'

Post by **bitWISE** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:42 pm

Kaziganthe wrote:or like carl's laser fence

Nice. Not the top of the line model but it works for you and your income bracket.

Post by **StormShadow** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:01 pm

we need illegal immigrants

politicians are unwilling to do anything about them, as they are vital to our economy (and vital to business owners who make large donations). However, no one will ever have the balls to say this, as it is a very unpopular thing to say, particularly for a republican, so nothing will be done, and the current situation will continue untill something drastic happens.

Post by **glossy** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:03 pm

They should make sure all the contruction workers are mexican, and pay them all $2/day, then bask in their own irony.

Post by **bitWISE** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:08 pm

glossy wrote:They should make sure all the contruction workers are mexican, and pay them all $2/day, then bask in their own irony.

Ever seen mexican roofers? Those dudes are fucking amazing...

I've got no problem with immigration. What I'm tired of is how the entire god damn world looks at the US like the world's largest public park and that we should just give them a life because we owe them something. I'm sorry I was lucky enough to be born into a life of options and more income than many nations, but it's not my fault you, your parents or your grandparents didn't make an effort to achieve the same life. [/rant]

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:09 pm

Actually I would like to see this happen.

Post by **glossy** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:15 pm

bitWISE wrote:
glossy wrote:They should make sure all the contruction workers are mexican, and pay them all $2/day, then bask in their own irony.
Ever seen mexican roofers? Those dudes are fucking amazing...

We don't have mexicans in Australia! Our version of border-jumpers are the Japanese (who's main purpose is to study hard and become dodgy doctors, accountants, calculator engineers or micromechabiologists).

Post by **bitWISE** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:18 pm

glossy wrote:
bitWISE wrote:
glossy wrote:They should make sure all the contruction workers are mexican, and pay them all $2/day, then bask in their own irony.
Ever seen mexican roofers? Those dudes are fucking amazing...
We don't have mexicans in Australia! Our version of border-jumpers are the Japanese (who's main purpose is to study hard and become dodgy doctors or accountants/calculator engineers/micromechabiologists).

Forgot you were Aussie. I guess you will have to take my word for it. I used to work for my dad in construction and sometimes we would be on a job with a mexican crew. They would litterally run at full speed across the roof while firing their nail guns to secure either plywood or shingles.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:39 pm

glossy wrote:
bitWISE wrote:
glossy wrote:They should make sure all the contruction workers are mexican, and pay them all $2/day, then bask in their own irony.
Ever seen mexican roofers? Those dudes are fucking amazing...
We don't have mexicans in Australia! Our version of border-jumpers are the Japanese (who's main purpose is to study hard and become dodgy doctors, accountants, calculator engineers or micromechabiologists).

How long is a flight from aus to japan?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:58 pm

StormShadow wrote:we need illegal immigrants

politicians are unwilling to do anything about them, as they are vital to our economy (and vital to business owners who make large donations). However, no one will ever have the balls to say this, as it is a very unpopular thing to say, particularly for a republican, so nothing will be done, and the current situation will continue untill something drastic happens.

"need" is a bit much. i don't mind if an illegal brings something to the community then becomes a citizen later, but to come here, work tax-free and not learn a good bit of English is ridiculous.

Post by **Nightshade** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:41 pm

Many of them do pay payroll taxes, at least in the restaurant biz. They don't have a choice. Legal SSN or not, the money still goes to the Feds, and if they are bogus IDs, the government keeps the money.
I absolutely fucking despise immigrants refusing to learn the language after living here for years, however.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:45 pm

presuming this fence is built on American soil, it'll be nowhere near as evil as the Israeli fence.

i think there's some major denial in this thread as to the role which illegal immigrants play in America's economy and society.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:52 pm

riddla wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i think there's some major denial in this thread as to the role which illegal immigrants play in America's economy and society.
probably not as much denial as the counterpoint.

which you'll articulate when?