So, games are costing more these days...

[DRuM]

I'm glad the attention has shifted from me.

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[Foo]

I'm glad the attention has shifted from me.

My one flaw is a predisposition for entertaining the rantings of morons long past the point it's quite clear they're wholly inequipped for even an average level of discussion.

[dzjepp]

Does it really matter foo whether it's called infringement or stealing? You're simply arguing the technical differences behind each word, whereas all I'm really arguing is the ultimate meaning behind downloading illegally. 'Technically' I accept it's not regarded as theft. You win on that point.
But if I download something illegally, I still see myself as a thief. You can still get a hefty fine or go to prison, whatever it's called, so arguing the differences about whether it's infringement or stealing doesn't make much difference.

The point is, the technicality of it might come into play in court. Have you noticed that RIAA has not been succesfull in winning their court proceedings against every entity they've summoned there?

[Foo]

Does it really matter foo whether it's called infringement or stealing? You're simply arguing the technical differences behind each word, whereas all I'm really arguing is the ultimate meaning behind downloading illegally. 'Technically' I accept it's not regarded as theft. You win on that point.

I don't win anything. If you really do accept the point then you're the one gaining from this discussion, not me. Unless there's no value to having a fallacious belief corrected via debate.

But if I download something illegally, I still see myself as a thief.

This would suggest that what you say in the first part of this quote is in fact not true, you don't actually accept that copyright infringement is technically not theft. If you're accepting the point, you then obviously must cease maintaining other points which rely on the point which was conceded.

You can still get a hefty fine or go to prison, whatever it's called, so arguing the differences about whether it's infringement or stealing doesn't make much difference.

By this logic the crimes of embezzelment and murder aren't much different. After all, you can still go to prison for it.

Hollow argument drum.

[The Butcher]

I guess it depends on whether both parties have any knowledge on the issue at hand.Of course, or alternatively the ability to research information and apply it to human precepts I know for a fact that there is no way you can rationalise game theft in a court of law quite likely. Good job we're not talking about theft in legal terms isn't it! Also good that's been pointed out about 100 times in this thread, and unfortunate that you seem to have missed every one of those times! Better go copyright infringe some reading glasses from somewhere sweetie :kissu:, you seem to think that a few references, sidestepping answers and attempted loopholes means you can circumvent the law. Unfortunately for you it only works here on a messageboard and not in a court of law.Woah, good job the court of law isn't being used for an informal debate on ethics I could google 10000 references to support my case but I have no need, law is law. And you can't change that no matter how many paragraphs you copy and paste from google.

Woah. Law is law huh. Good job that's not a cyclical assertion.

Ohshi....

It's just such a shame that every argument you're trying to use holds no weight whatsoever in a court of law.

[Tormentius]

It's just such a shame that every argument you're trying to use holds no weight whatsoever in a court of law.

You're full of shit. Cite a case (with proof) where someone was successfully charged with "theft over x" for downloading copyrighted materials. Copyright infringement is not the same as theft, thats why they are two distinctly different charges with different penalties.

Just an FYI, but here in Canada downloading copyrighted materials isn't even illegal. Its only illegal if you distribute or upload those materials.

[dzjepp]

Sweden and Russia have similar laws - mostly places that are far away from the us of a and don't have to conform with the dmca. Does the MPAA/RIAA/SIIA have any precident in foreign countries? I know other countries have their own firms that handle this type of stuff but their legal proceedings vary from those in the us.

[dzjepp]

Also, RIAA is known to target users that have music files in their shares folder, but not against those that do not.