jews and math...
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Freakaloin
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[xeno]Julios
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yep - i remember that lecture, which is why i brought this up.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Jules, fwiw Finklestein thinks Raul Hillberg is the definitive scholar on the Holocaust. (this gleaned from reading and from his lecture)
Here's hilberg:
more here:Raul Hilberg, author of the classic THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EUROPEAN JEWS, is the world's leading authority on the Nazi holocaust. A Brazilian journalist, Carlos Haag, questioned him about my new book. Below is Hilberg's reply:
Today he is rather unpopular and his book will certainly not become a best seller, but what it says is basically true even though incomplete. It is more a journalistic account than an in depth study on the topic, which would need to be much longer. To say that the Holocaust has been used in order to secure Palestine for the Jews is nothing new and we know how important it was in the creation of Israel. Nevertheless it will be a bitter yet necessary reminder to the community. He is also right when he argues that nobody talked about this topic in the USA: in 1968 a well known local encyclopedia asked me to write an article on the Holocaust and they only wanted me to talk about Dachau and Buchenwald because they were not interested in Auschwitz; these topics were censored. I agree with him that people overestimate the number of survivors and that the concept itself is ill-defined - it includes not only the victims of the camps - and it is true that there an exaggerated number of compensation requests are made. There is something radically wrong in this exploitation because it is an issue that should not be used to make money and I must confess that I found the whole affair with the Swiss banks disturbing. The Jewish-American community is very prosperous and there is no reason for them to ask the Swiss for money. That seems obscene to me.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=5
though i dunno what finkelstein has to say about the number of surviviors.
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Freakaloin
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF
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goddam you're stupid. so how many Jews died of typhoid and how many non- Jewish Germans died of typhoid?Freakaloin wrote:i think the number is closer to 1-2 million...but most died from typhoid...soviets died more...
Were the imprisoned, half starved Jews able to go to a doctor?
Just goes to show that geoff will believe anything he reads on the internet.
[color=#408000]seremtan wrote: yeah, it's not like the japanese are advanced enough to be able to decontaminate any areas that might be affected :dork:[/color]
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF
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not that it has any bearing on the numbers, but doctors couldn't do a damn thing about typhoid back then - although nutrition would have had an impact.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Were the imprisoned, half starved Jews able to go to a doctor?Freakaloin wrote:i think the number is closer to 1-2 million...but most died from typhoid...soviets died more...
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Freakaloin
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wow ur a moron puff...all i say is true but it doesn't change the holocaust one little bit...it still happened and it was bad...but morons use it for more sympathy for jews...and u play right along...the jews love idiots like u...
a defining attribute of a government is that it has a monopoly on the legitimate exercise of violence...
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF
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i'm waiting to see geoof's numbers with a source. let's see if the same proportion of germans to total german population died.Geebs wrote:not that it has any bearing on the numbers, but doctors couldn't do a damn thing about typhoid back then - although nutrition would have had an impact.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Were the imprisoned, half starved Jews able to go to a doctor?Freakaloin wrote:i think the number is closer to 1-2 million...but most died from typhoid...soviets died more...
of course this shit is way above geoof's head so I don't exactly expect him to get it.
anyway you're wrong geoof. over 2 million died in the gas chambers. if you want to refute that then let's see you back up your claims.
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Freakaloin
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF
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oh good call on making this thread thenFreakaloin wrote:it doesn't really matter how many died when it cums to those numbers...but i'm sure 80% of the deaths were from disease and what not...
again let's see your neo nazi source cus that's all you've got
retard
edit: let me explain why the numbers matter... if you claim 80% of the Jewish deaths are from disease 'and whatnot' (starvation and being worked to death maybe?) and then you look at the proportion of total european jews who didn't escape to freedom, those who died to those who lived, and you want to claim that Germans died in the same numbers or proportion I think you'll find that 20 or 30 million Germans should have died from disease (and does 'whatnot' apply to them even?) guess what geoff, that many germans didn't die from disease. your claim is bullshit.
Can't follow that? moron alert?
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Freakaloin
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no i never said anything about germans dying in the same numbers...but in the concentration camps the germans were dying in large numbers from typhoid...but go ahead making up stories about claims i have made and what not...good stuff to laff at...
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