Microsoft Antivirus Software

Post by **mjrpes** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:39 am

Is now public beta. You can try it out here:

http://www2.imagine-msn.com/minisites/o ... cale=en-us (open with Internet Explorer)

The public beta may temporarily close if too many people sign up, so do it now if you are interested.

I'm trying it out now and will see how well it goes. I am thoroughly disgusted with Norton, so options are open.

Post by **busetibi** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:43 am

Norton?
what a pos
MAS seems good,which is a wonder really but yer np here with it.
edit:
why dont you just grab the AVG freeware prog mjrpes?
been running it for ages now, never have any probs, easy to use,easy to understand, and the most important thing........
it works

http://www.freewarefiles.com/programs.p ... ramID=1007

or
Avast.
http://www.avast.com/

Post by **Denz** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:47 am

I have been running it for months now and it seems to work.

Post by **busetibi** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:15 am

you do realise Denz this is a different prog/app to the microsoft antispyware prog?
for one, its called Windows OneCare, its a free trial, once it expires you have to pay

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:43 am

trial? It won't last indefinitely?

Post by **Denz** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:17 pm

A new one? Oh man... I think I will stick with what I have, there are too many to count.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:30 pm

Windows OneCare configures your computer to automatically download and install critical and security updates from Microsoft Update. Microsoft Update provides updates for Windows, Microsoft Office 2003, Office XP and other Microsoft programs through Automatic Updates

also, you must have a passport account.

Post by **Foo** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:33 pm

A commercial antivirus solution from the company creating the OS it protects?

That's not a conflict of interest...

Post by **obsidian** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:42 pm

So instead of distributing free service packs to protect against security holes, they can distribute it as part of the commercial antivirus software. Sounds like a good business plan to me.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:19 pm

obsidian wrote:So instead of distributing free service packs to protect against security holes, they can distribute it as part of the commercial antivirus software. Sounds like a good business plan to me.

Viruses/malware and security holes are completely different :icon27:. Its worms that usually exploit a security hole but most users without adequate protection are quite willing and able to download a virus/malware which that will fistfuck their PC just because an email or website said to do so.

MS' OS patching isn't going to change, they're simply expanding their company into a new market.

Post by **Foo** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:31 pm

SURE THING TORM

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:35 pm

Foo wrote:SURE THING TORM

Care to elaborate on that?

Post by **Foo** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:37 pm

There wouldn't be any point.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:42 pm

Foo wrote:There wouldn't be any point.

So what you're saying is that you disagree that a large portion of virus and malware infections are caused by the user and not by unpatched exlpoits? Or is it Microsoft's patch infrastructure not changing that you disagree with?

Post by **R00k** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:47 pm

Torm's right, they're just expanding into a different market.

They can't retroactively start providing support exclusively to people who pay for their Anti-Virus product. Service packs and security patches are support to fix issues with a product. Antivirus is something different.

And I don't think we'll ever have to worry about MS creating holes in their OS to make their AV product more attractive. Remember, there are plenty of holes in Windows to take advantage of without intentionally opening up any more.

Don't get me wrong, it gives me a bit of a funny feeling to think of MS as providing my anti-virus -- that's why I don't plan on using it -- but I don't think they're doing anything unethical here really.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:48 pm

R00k wrote:Remember, there are plenty of holes in Windows to take advantage of without intentionally opening up any more.

Exactly

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:52 pm

R00k wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it gives me a bit of a funny feeling to think of MS as providing my anti-virus -- that's why I don't plan on using it -- but I don't think they're doing anything unethical here really.

It might just become an amazing product if they implement it well. The reason is that, as you probably know, their AV tech comes from Sybari who they bought out awhile back. Sybari's claim to fame was an antivirus product which let a person license other vendor's scanning engines for use in it's framework. What I'm hoping for is a comprehensive and easily administered AV product which we can plug scanning engines of our choice into.

Like riddla said though, its going to have to be leaps and bounds ahead of Symantec and other enterprise-grade AV products in before I bother.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:56 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Foo wrote:There wouldn't be any point.
So what you're saying is that you disagree that a large portion of virus and malware infections are caused by the user and not by unpatched exlpoits? Or is it Microsoft's patch infrastructure not changing that you disagree with?

there's no point. can't you read.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:36 pm

Denz wrote:A new one? Oh man... I think I will stick with what I have, there are too many to count.

denz: the "old" one isn't an anti-virus program - it's an anti-spyware program.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:06 pm

[xeno]Julios wrote:
Denz wrote:A new one? Oh man... I think I will stick with what I have, there are too many to count.
denz: the "old" one isn't an anti-virus program - it's an anti-spyware program.

i wonder where he got the nick "denz"?

Post by **obsidian** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:39 pm

Tormentius wrote:
obsidian wrote:So instead of distributing free service packs to protect against security holes, they can distribute it as part of the commercial antivirus software. Sounds like a good business plan to me.
Viruses/malware and security holes are completely different :icon27:. Its worms that usually exploit a security hole but most users without adequate protection are quite willing and able to download a virus/malware which that will fistfuck their PC just because an email or website said to do so.

MS' OS patching isn't going to change, they're simply expanding their company into a new market.

Sounds like you're being a little over analytical for something that was meant to be a joke. But anyway, aren't antiviruses supposed to protect you against viruses, malware and worms?

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:17 pm

obsidian wrote:
Sounds like you're being a little over analytical for something that was meant to be a joke. But anyway, aren't antiviruses supposed to protect you against viruses, malware and worms?

Humour meter is in for repair, sorry

.

The major players have finally started to integrate malware protection into their products but many smaller providers haven't stepped up yet.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:52 am

there's even a "live" scanner that doesn't install anything. part of their Windows Live Safety Center. yes, this has been done before, but your a-typical user doesn't know about Trend Micro or any other online scanners. cue MS ads.

Post by **Canidae** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:30 am

Massive Quasars wrote:trial? It won't last indefinitely?

Not even for a MS pirater like you (or me)