Italian News Exposing Our War Crimes

[Nightshade]

I'm curious to see what reaction this blatant hypocrisy generates amongst the loyal Bush supporters. Or, retarded fuckheads, as I call them.

[R00k]

The people who still blindly support Bush aren't going to give two shits about this, if I had my guess. They've long since come up with circular arguments to rebut any "facts" some "intellectual elitist" might be armed with.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Bush's approval rating hit 30% eventually though. He's entirely too stupid and stubborn to resign, but maybe we can hope for impeachment after the fickle populace rolls Congress over again in 2006.

[MKJ]

when would his presidency end btw?
oct 2006?

[R00k]

His presidency isn't over until 2008. In 2006 we have mid-term elections for Congress.

It is currently impossible for Bush to be impeached, unless there is cooperation from the Republican party (which might even be a possibility before 2006 if things keep going like this). But if Democrats replace Republicans in enough seats in Congress, they will have a big enough majority to start impeachment hearings.

Although, TBH, I'm not sure they would even have the balls to do it then judging by recent history.

[Nightshade]

If the Dummycraps manage to take control of congress next year and Bush gets impeached and booted, it will go a LONG way towards restoring my faith in the American people and political system. I highly doubt that it's going to happen, though.
As for Bush's fans, no I don't really expect any of them to change their opinions. Since 2000 and 9/11 I've had the following brought into sharp relief: People agree with arguments that support their beliefs and reject those that don't, no matter how ridiculous doing either may be. I've pretty much known this on a gut level for years, I've just seen it writ large since the 2000 election.

[MKJ]

His presidency isn't over until 2008. In 2006 we have mid-term elections for Congress.

It is currently impossible for Bush to be impeached, unless there is cooperation from the Republican party (which might even be a possibility before 2006 if things keep going like this). But if Democrats replace Republicans in enough seats in Congress, they will have a big enough majority to start impeachment hearings.

Although, TBH, I'm not sure they would even have the balls to do it then judging by recent history.

2k8? christ. thats not as "near future" as i thought it was

[Canis]

The people who still blindly support Bush aren't going to give two shits about this, if I had my guess. They've long since come up with circular arguments to rebut any "facts" some "intellectual elitist" might be armed with.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Bush's approval rating hit 30% eventually though. He's entirely too stupid and stubborn to resign, but maybe we can hope for impeachment after the fickle populace rolls Congress over again in 2006.

I think they will most likely excuse it with other things he's done, such as "liberate iraq" and "protect our freedom" and all the other politically driven jargon. The problem with political arguments is that there's always a good and a bad to EVERY decision, and politicians are very good at bolstering only the good aspects of their decisions. The "but we're saving democracy from the tyrrany and terror of evildoers around the world" argument is powerful to those who blindly follow their leaders, and sadly I think this is the majority of the USA.

[R00k]

Well, his approval rating is at 37% so as far as public opinion goes he's fucked.

But that has less and less to do with Congressional decisions these days, so it's hard to tell.

[Canis]

Public opinion will only weigh into the next election, which is a good thing for democrats, but for the time being folks will just have to sit and watch Bush push his influence into subsequent generations by nominating idiots to the supreme court, etc.

[R00k]

Oh ye of massive faith. ;p

[Canis]

Jesusland!!!

[Hannibal]

Thing is a good chunk of Bush haters (me included) hate the dems and their spineless faggotry almost as much. Some leader of conscience has got to STEP THE FUCK UP with a convicing, alternative vision that is c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e. This requirement pretty much eliminates any fucker in Washington, so I know I'm a bit of a dreamer. I don't care if said person is Dem, Rep, Green, or the Holy Cunting of Xenu....just have some balls, and open mind, and principles worth defending, you fuck.

[Canis]

There are no such leaders, or if there are they wont gain any ground as the political game will fuck them through the floor by going against the flow. Folks on both sides are either scared to go against the crowd, or dont know how and present their view as a slight alternative of the same ideas that have been rolling around for quite some time. Its just a different package of the same stuff.

[Nightshade]

Ron Paul appears to be the only one out there atm...and Jesse Ventura, who sadly would never get elected.

[Ryoki]

Thing is a good chunk of Bush haters (me included) hate the dems and their spineless faggotry almost as much. Some leader of conscience has got to STEP THE FUCK UP with a convicing, alternative vision that is c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e. This requirement pretty much eliminates any fucker in Washington, so I know I'm a bit of a dreamer. I don't care if said person is Dem, Rep, Green, or the Holy Cunting of Xenu....just have some balls, and open mind, and principles worth defending, you fuck.

The sad fucking thing is that even when viewed from a purely oppertunistic political point of view, this would actually make excellent campaign material.

[[xeno]Julios]

There are no such leaders, or if there are they wont gain any ground as the political game will fuck them through the floor by going against the flow. Folks on both sides are either scared to go against the crowd, or dont know how and present their view as a slight alternative of the same ideas that have been rolling around for quite some time. Its just a different package of the same stuff.

could happen, but would take a very cunning person to pull it off.

they'd basically have to fake their nature, and then show their true colours once in power.

or someone in power could undergo a change for better and use her position for good.

[[xeno]Julios]

Thing is a good chunk of Bush haters (me included) hate the dems and their spineless faggotry almost as much. Some leader of conscience has got to STEP THE FUCK UP with a convicing, alternative vision that is c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e. This requirement pretty much eliminates any fucker in Washington, so I know I'm a bit of a dreamer. I don't care if said person is Dem, Rep, Green, or the Holy Cunting of Xenu....just have some balls, and open mind, and principles worth defending, you fuck.

The sad fucking thing is that even when viewed from a purely oppertunistic political point of view, this would actually make excellent campaign material.

yea what a fuckin circus

[Canis]

There are no such leaders, or if there are they wont gain any ground as the political game will fuck them through the floor by going against the flow. Folks on both sides are either scared to go against the crowd, or dont know how and present their view as a slight alternative of the same ideas that have been rolling around for quite some time. Its just a different package of the same stuff.

could happen, but would take a very cunning person to pull it off.

they'd basically have to fake their nature, and then show their true colours once in power.

or someone in power could undergo a change for better and use her position for good.

I'm hoping for Barak Obama to have some influence in that area. He's not natively born so I dont know if America will be able to overcome that hurdle by the time he's ready to be president, but if not he'll definitely make a powerful cabinet member for a presidential figure that shares his views.

[R00k]

I don't think of that as a hurdle.

I still believe the rule should stay in place that citizens who weren't born in the US shouldn't be able to hold the office of President.

I want someone who has not only dealt with all aspects of living in America since birth, but also someone whose parents have had to deal with having and raising a child in America.

Of course, it's a bit of a stretch to say that most politicians in Washington (especially ones who reach the Presidency) have had to deal with such experiences, but that doesn't mean the rule isn't a sound one.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

There are no such leaders, or if there are they wont gain any ground as the political game will fuck them through the floor by going against the flow. Folks on both sides are either scared to go against the crowd, or dont know how and present their view as a slight alternative of the same ideas that have been rolling around for quite some time. Its just a different package of the same stuff.

could happen, but would take a very cunning person to pull it off.

they'd basically have to fake their nature, and then show their true colours once in power.

or someone in power could undergo a change for better and use her position for good.

I'm hoping for Barak Obama to have some influence in that area. He's not natively born so I dont know if America will be able to overcome that hurdle by the time he's ready to be president, but if not he'll definitely make a powerful cabinet member for a presidential figure that shares his views.

he was born in Hawaii

[Canis]

I don't think of that as a hurdle.

I still believe the rule should stay in place that citizens who weren't born in the US shouldn't be able to hold the office of President.

I want someone who has not only dealt with all aspects of living in America since birth, but also someone whose parents have had to deal with having and raising a child in America.

Of course, it's a bit of a stretch to say that most politicians in Washington (especially ones who reach the Presidency) have had to deal with such experiences, but that doesn't mean the rule isn't a sound one.

I dont believe so. I think that's an idealized view that has no real application to how well someone can be president (look at the current fuck-up we have going for us). I know pleanty of people born in this country who I would never trust to be a presidential figure. That rule only prevents people who're quite eligable to be president from becoming president. America has tremendous cultural diversity and to say the understanding of this diversity comes from birth location is just bizarre to me. Folks only start becoming aware of the socioeconomics of america in their late teens, so what's to say someone who moves here in childhood and becomes an american native in all respects cannot become president. It's just not right.

[Canis]

could happen, but would take a very cunning person to pull it off.

they'd basically have to fake their nature, and then show their true colours once in power.

or someone in power could undergo a change for better and use her position for good.

I'm hoping for Barak Obama to have some influence in that area. He's not natively born so I dont know if America will be able to overcome that hurdle by the time he's ready to be president, but if not he'll definitely make a powerful cabinet member for a presidential figure that shares his views.

he was born in Hawaii

I was under the impression he was born in an african nation. Still, if this doenst apply to him directly, I think there are others who're quite eligable and should at least have the chance.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

he was born in Hawaii

I was under the impression he was born in an african nation. Still, if this doenst apply to him directly, I think there are others who're quite eligable and should at least have the chance.

not all black people are born in Africa.

[Canis]

Fuck off Puff...your cunting is beginning to smell.

[Foo]

not all black people are born in Africa.

WHOA THAT WAS AMAZING. YOU TOTALLY FOUND SOME RACISM WHERE THERE WASN'T ANY AND NOONE NOTICED YOU DOING IT