Negotiating salary

Post by **Canis** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:43 pm

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Post by **stocktroll** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:42 pm

ROFL the time of getting 50k jobs fresh out the uni with a CS degree has passed. You are like one in tens of thousands in the same boat looking for the same job and there aint enough slots to give them to all. You'll be lucky to even find a half decent job.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:05 am

stocktroll wrote:ROFL the time of getting 50k jobs fresh out the uni with a CS degree has passed. You are like one in tens of thousands in the same boat looking for the same job and there aint enough slots to give them to all. You'll be lucky to even find a half decent job.

Thanks for the encouraging words but I'll have no problem getting a job with Nationwide. I have several managers, architects, and leads who are all trying to help because they have enjoyed working with me. And if that wasn't enough my gf's dad is the director in charge of project managers.

Post by **duffman91** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:51 am

stocktroll wrote:ROFL the time of getting 50k jobs fresh out the uni with a CS degree has passed. You are like one in tens of thousands in the same boat looking for the same job and there aint enough slots to give them to all. You'll be lucky to even find a half decent job.

You're thinking 6 years ago.

If it means anything, everyone I know with a CS degree has a job(including me). Our respective salaries (starting, fresh out of college) range from $35,000-$80,000 USD. Keep in mind, we all graduated this past May.

If you have a CS degree and can't get a job, its your own fucking fault.

By the way, accounting is the new "computer science" of this decade.

If you are worth a shit, and you know how to talk to people(bye bye everquest players) you can get a job in the industry with a CS degree from a respectable institution.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:42 am

duffman91 wrote:
stocktroll wrote:ROFL the time of getting 50k jobs fresh out the uni with a CS degree has passed. You are like one in tens of thousands in the same boat looking for the same job and there aint enough slots to give them to all. You'll be lucky to even find a half decent job.
If you are worth a shit, and you know how to talk to people(bye bye everquest players) you can get a job in the industry with a CS degree from a respectable institution.

Yeah. The biggest thing people forget when commenting on the amount of people with CS degrees is that the majority of them are essentially retards who were pumped out of a diploma mill. I'm absolutely ashamed to admit I will be a Devry graduate but I would rather have my degree than another year of school and the hassle of a transfer.

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:06 am

bitWISE wrote:The biggest thing people forget when commenting on the amount of people with CS degrees is that the majority of them are essentially retards who were pumped out of a diploma mill.

I have a degree in CS&E from UCLA, I think what matters really, is where your degree is from. Just like a graduate from Standford, NYU, or Harvard is going to get a better offer at a law firm, same thing goes for CS degrees. Sadly if you get a degree in CS from any institution that companies will respect, you will have learned very little that will actually carry over to real life work. At UCLA and other colleges they teach theory and math etc. that you never use doing java programming for web sites for example, which is what a lot of CS grads do right out of college these days. So really it is just a piece of paper that says that you were smart enough to survive the 50% drop out / major change rate that is the CS department at top schools. Anyway sorry for the tirade, peace.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:11 am

MidnightQ4 wrote:
bitWISE wrote:The biggest thing people forget when commenting on the amount of people with CS degrees is that the majority of them are essentially retards who were pumped out of a diploma mill.
I have a degree in CS&E from UCLA, I think what matters really, is where your degree is from. Just like a graduate from Standford, NYU, or Harvard is going to get a better offer at a law firm, same thing goes for CS degrees. Sadly if you get a degree in CS from any institution that companies will respect, you will have learned very little that will actually carry over to real life work. At UCLA and other colleges they teach theory and math etc. that you never use doing java programming for web sites for example, which is what a lot of CS grads do right out of college these days. So really it is just a piece of paper that says that you were smart enough to survive the 50% drop out / major change rate that is the CS department at top schools. Anyway sorry for the tirade, peace.

I would have rather learned all the theory and math since I already knew the languages. I should have realised that I made the wrong choice sooner but it's not the end of the world.

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:27 am

bitWISE wrote:I would have rather learned all the theory and math since I already knew the languages. I should have realised that I made the wrong choice sooner but it's not the end of the world.

Do you have something in mind that you would do with that knowledge? Cause frankly I'm looking for ideas. I mean I don't really know how to get a job designing new movie compression codecs or things like that, maybe I should look harder. But then again I expect you'd need a PhD for that kind of work to actually want you. I think I do what I do (Computer security consulting) mostly because it was an obvious job that pays pretty well and it was easy to find.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:40 pm

MidnightQ4 wrote:
bitWISE wrote:I would have rather learned all the theory and math since I already knew the languages. I should have realised that I made the wrong choice sooner but it's not the end of the world.
Do you have something in mind that you would do with that knowledge? Cause frankly I'm looking for ideas. I mean I don't really know how to get a job designing new movie compression codecs or things like that, maybe I should look harder. But then again I expect you'd need a PhD for that kind of work to actually want you. I think I do what I do (Computer security consulting) mostly because it was an obvious job that pays pretty well and it was easy to find.

Well. Inolen (and me kinda) is perfect proof of what you achieve from being self-taught. I don't really think you need a phd you just need the drive to do it. If you want to design a new codec then go for it. I've noticed that a lot of companies actually look at how many fun projects you do at home.