Negotiating salary

Post by **Canis** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:39 pm

Well there you have it...

Post by **r3t** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:44 pm

^misantropia^ wrote:Meh. CS bachelors in the Netherlands only make E 25,000, E 30,000 tops ($30,000-$35,000) during their first few years. While the cost of living is roughly comparable to the States. It might be bit different in other European countries but not too different, I think.

Time to move, perhaps...

yep I know (from experience no less). A 50k starter salary is unheard of in any branch in the Netherlands though.

Post by **plained** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:23 pm

Canis wrote:Well there you have it...

glad you feel better, not your fault

Post by **Canis** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:51 pm

plained wrote:
Canis wrote:Well there you have it...
glad you feel better, not your fault

Snickers bars just might do you good. Learn to love'em.

Post by **plained** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:58 pm

im already great, but ty for your concern.

Post by **Canis** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:01 pm

You're but words on a webpage to me.

Post by **plained** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:03 pm

but , just, might,.. come on

have some confidence in your self man y0

Post by **Canis** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:16 pm

Poor you, I almost feel sorry...

Post by **plained** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:18 pm

well im far from poor,but dont let me stop you from feeling sorry

Post by **Canis** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:30 pm

"poor" in this sense has nothing do to with financial well-being.

Post by **plained** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:35 pm

"far from poor" in this instance has nothing to do with financial well being

i have it all tho, rofl

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:01 am

The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:

Post by **Dave** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:04 am

Of course someone else is taking care of your kid so you can both make enough to live your lifestyle. Welcome to the American dream

Post by **andyman** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:07 am

YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:

your increase is about what i get for cash a month...all the rest goes to accounts that auto pay.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:11 am

Dave wrote:Of course someone else is taking care of your kid so you can both make enough to live your lifestyle. Welcome to the American dream

My son attends an acadamy right down the street from both of our offices. So it's not too bad. Though it would be nice to make enough money for us to live like we do and have the wife stay home or vise versa.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:13 am

andyman wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:
your increase is about what i get for cash a month...all the rest goes to accounts that auto pay.

Things always get better if you're constantly striving to reach the top.

Post by **andyman** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:20 am

We use pay tables, so basically it just takes time to get more money. plus my life is kinda expensive for my salary

Post by **bitWISE** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:57 am

andyman wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:
your increase is about what i get for cash a month...all the rest goes to accounts that auto pay.

No doubt. I don't make much than that after taxes. Can't wait for that to change.

Post by **Canis** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:21 am

YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:

I read that fast, and saw "Total monthly income of $1265"...

Post by **plained** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:39 pm

yea trouble reading as i said before, nothing new there.

Post by **plained** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:40 pm

YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:

well im sure when you finaly get some time to spend with your kid, you will minimize it so you can play your vid games good job

Post by **Underpants?** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:54 pm

Dr_Watson wrote:well.. rule 1 for getting more money is spelling salary correctly

colon-cock-and-ball-colon

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:56 pm

plained wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:The wife and I just got raises, on the same.

Total monthly income increase of $1,265.00.

Not bad. :icon31:

well im sure when you finaly get some time to spend with your kid, you will minimize it so you can play your vid games good job

Slow down there, it's not good to assume.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:06 pm

Hey look eveyone, I've got a new fan.

Post by **hax103** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:17 pm

I'd suggest thinking about:

- Ask urself what skills/experience makes you distinctive in your profession? i.e. prior experience, major role in well known open-source projects, etc.

- The cost of living in the area is very important which means nation-wide statistics are often useless and misleading. i.e. a salary of $70,000 in one place can be much better than a $100,000 in another place which is notably expensive (i.e. Manhattan).

- Are you good at "on-the-fly" coding? If so, you should seriously consider a first job at a place like Google, M$, etc. Google for example actually encourages open-source involvement and officially even gives you a day/week just for ur fun projects. They will be happy to fly you out and quiz you with programming puzzles. If you are top tier they will offer very nice salaries.

- Most salary hunting is simply figuring out - what would another company pay you? Having one or more written offers from other companies can be of great assistance in a salary negotiation.

- Keep in mind that it typically costs a company 10X the salary to find a replacement. Job hunting and job filling is quite hard to do and the companies are aware of this.