And what do you have to substantiate that?
I mean I only need my one personal experience to maintain my side in this. You need to prove that's the case across the spectrum of 'normal' humanity.
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define the word "carry". carry in what way?Foo wrote:I dont follow...
you're saying to see.. to actually watch AND hear another human being get held down, and have their head severed from their body with a small knife over the course of about 5 minutes...
You're saying that a normal person, after seeing that and hearing him scream, staring straight into the camera as he dies slowly at the hands of a group of people... watching another human being choosing to hold him down and hack him to death..
You're saying that after experiencing that, a regular human being won't carry that with them for the rest of their life.
i mean its probably not something you would ever forget seeing, but then again there are tons of things you probably wouldnt forget seeing.
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just because you remember it doesn't mean you're "scarred"Foo wrote:I dont follow...
you're saying to see.. to actually watch AND hear another human being get held down, and have their head severed from their body with a small knife over the course of about 5 minutes...
You're saying that a normal person, after seeing that and hearing him scream, staring straight into the camera as he dies slowly at the hands of a group of people... watching another human being choosing to hold him down and hack him to death..
You're saying that after experiencing that, a regular human being won't carry that with them for the rest of their life.
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I once showed my pussy mate that video of the guy getting the knife through the throat. He almost fainted when he saw it 
There was also a particularly brutal beheading video recently where they appeared to use a blunt spoon to cut it off (since it took so long and he was squeeling until his voice box split).
Nasty stuff I spose, but if you click a video entitled "terrorist_beheading_video02020.avi", what the hell do you expect, an episode of the care bears?
There was also a particularly brutal beheading video recently where they appeared to use a blunt spoon to cut it off (since it took so long and he was squeeling until his voice box split).
Nasty stuff I spose, but if you click a video entitled "terrorist_beheading_video02020.avi", what the hell do you expect, an episode of the care bears?
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more masculine? life more worthwhile? that's ridiculous. being curious as you are right now would be my guess. it certainly is the reason i watched one.^misantropia^ wrote:Hum... what good does it do to watch movies where one human being brutally murders another? Did it make you more masculine, your life more worthwhile? Just asking out of plain curiosity.
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interesting segment MQ.
two comments:
1) I wonder at whether it's possible to be responsible parents and at the same time remain completely oblivious to the child's depression.
2) Would have been nice to see whether the ASH group encouraged her to at least confront her parents about her depression. If i were a conscientious ASH member, I would strongly encourage someone to at least declare the fact that you're not happy to the people who are going to suffer when you die. It may be the case that they did, but the segment didn't go into that sort of detail.
two comments:
1) I wonder at whether it's possible to be responsible parents and at the same time remain completely oblivious to the child's depression.
2) Would have been nice to see whether the ASH group encouraged her to at least confront her parents about her depression. If i were a conscientious ASH member, I would strongly encourage someone to at least declare the fact that you're not happy to the people who are going to suffer when you die. It may be the case that they did, but the segment didn't go into that sort of detail.
how do you know that Jules? and much faster than what - gunshot? would that not depend on where you were shot?[xeno]Julios wrote:you lose consciousness much faster when being beheaded.
Again, I guess this is your musings? Sounds like the scene in Saving Private Ryan, where the German Soldier slowly pushing a knife in to the chest of the American Soldier gently calmed him at the same time - somehow I doubt that scenario was repeated anywhere in the middle east - dont you?[xeno]Julios wrote:plus having the creature that's taking your life away right next to you is a bit of a comfort. At least you don't die as much alone.
I've seen a lot of people die, its always personal, even when i have not known them long. The experience of death is personal, when I think you mean its "realtional" (somehow) and I dont know what to think of that - it may be relational in the sense that fear and terror or whatever feelings the person being killed has are fear of those doing the killing, not sure....[xeno]Julios wrote:it's more personal.
"Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name."
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i'd imagine that the vast majority of fatal gunshot wounds (below head) involve prolonged periods of the agony associated with organ failure, and finally asphyxiation. Exceptions are those which knock you unconscious due to shock, or those that allow you to rapidly bleed to death. I may be wrong on this though, haven't thoroughly researched the issue.S@M wrote: how do you know that Jules? and much faster than what - gunshot? would that not depend on where you were shot?
i was speaking with my housemate about this issue, and that example actually came up. She brought up the good point that one of the most horrifying ways to die for her would be at the hands of a serial killer. Yes you're connected with a consciousness, but it's such a malign one. I don't know if the iraqi beheadings were done with the same sort of malign intent. They may have respected their victims and considered them a necessary sacrifice. For me, the idea of having people around me when i die seems something of a comfort - there is the possibility of empathy.S@M wrote: Again, I guess this is your musings? Sounds like the scene in Saving Private Ryan, where the German Soldier slowly pushing a knife in to the chest of the American Soldier gently calmed him at the same time - somehow I doubt that scenario was repeated anywhere in the middle east - dont you?
Sometimes after riding my bike fast up a hill, I build up such an oxygen debt that I get that terror of asphyxiation. It's horrible and there's nothing I can do but just bear out the torture and continue cycling while trying not to grimace too much. During those moments, I often think about dying from cycling too hard, and dying in general. They're not the happiest moments of my life, but the idea that there'd be people around me witnessing my pain as i die, who may "share the suffering" with me, is something of a mitigation to the pain.
yea maybe relational's a better word. I just meant personal in the sense that there's a personal presence close at hand so you can feel connected to another consciousness as long as possible.S@M wrote: I've seen a lot of people die, its always personal, even when i have not known them long. The experience of death is personal, when I think you mean its "realtional" (somehow) and I dont know what to think of that - it may be relational in the sense that fear and terror or whatever feelings the person being killed has are fear of those doing the killing, not sure....
Um, I never said anything about being scarred.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:just because you remember it doesn't mean you're "scarred"
If I watched the video, I'd probably be laughing and eating popcorn five minutes later again, but it's just not something I fancy seeing. I'm not thrilled or pleased by the sight of such brutality.
But yeah, I don't want to see it. If I accidently ran into such a video I'd turn it off. That doesn't make me weak or a sissy or anything, it makes me a normal human being. I think that not being apalled by a video like that is not normal. But again, that doesn't mean it'll emotionally scar you for the rest of your life or something.
Empathy from people who have nothing to do with the cause of your death, yes, I can see where that comes from. However, along the lines of what S@M was talking about, I don't know if that same sort of feeling would also be applicable to being killed.[xeno]Julios wrote:For me, the idea of having people around me when i die seems something of a comfort - there is the possibility of empathy.
At that moment, I doubt you'd be longing for the empathy of the person that did it. That person is death. The ultimate thing to fear.
But when it comes to the presence of people who express goodness then I can see how that could be comforting, knowing that your candle doesn't burn out without anyone around to notice it.
It's a bizarre subject