exactly.Dr_Watson wrote:heh, interestingly its been boosting sales of client security... shit like this has been making companies paranoid, since any employee that stuffs a music cd into a computer on the network is now capable of causing issues.
Exactly. And even if you play it with that media player you'll only get some crappy 96kb/s quality, since it won't play the actual CD track. That's why you should go and return the CD to the shop and tell them that you won't buy any CD's that you can't fucking play.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:as far as some of these CD's go (Switchfoot's for sure), you cannot play the music on any other media player other than the one that's on the CD.Grudge wrote:http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/collateral.aspx?cid=76351
even JuGGz might resort to thatGrudge wrote:Exactly. And even if you play it with that media player you'll only get some crappy 96kb/s quality, since it won't play the actual CD track. That's why you should go and return the CD to the shop and tell them that you won't buy any CD's that you can't fucking play.+JuggerNaut+ wrote:as far as some of these CD's go (Switchfoot's for sure), you cannot play the music on any other media player other than the one that's on the CD.Grudge wrote:http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/collateral.aspx?cid=76351
And then go home and fire up SoulSeek or BitTorrent if you really want to listen to the music.
Yeah but it won't block installations and won't remove it, it will only detect it :icon8:riddla wrote:mmmmmm, SAVCE 10.0.1.1007 goodness
Quite agreed. I have RIS to take care of the rest once I know a station has been compromised. 30 mins and the OS is completely reinstalled and all apps installed as part of the process with no manual intervention required. It gives me the confidence of knowing a machine is completely clean.riddla wrote:of course, but detection is 9/10 of the battle with these things.
EULA's are the weirdest things ever. I still don't see how they could be legally binding (I remember hearing that they aren't here in the Netherlands), because:The Electronic Frontier Foundation has also examined Sony's End User License Agreement which consumers now agree to when buying Sony CDs. Aside from letting Sony install any software they like on your computer it also covers what you can do with stored copies of the CD.
i don't agree with #3. they're not tough to read. people are just lazy and clickers. of course Sony knows most people don't read EULA's and all other companies know this too.Eraser wrote:from that article:
EULA's are the weirdest things ever. I still don't see how they could be legally binding (I remember hearing that they aren't here in the Netherlands), because:The Electronic Frontier Foundation has also examined Sony's End User License Agreement which consumers now agree to when buying Sony CDs. Aside from letting Sony install any software they like on your computer it also covers what you can do with stored copies of the CD.
1 - You cannot read a EULA prior to buying the product. If you do not agree with the EULA, then the product is already in your hands.
2 - EULA's are filled with legal blah blah, language the average person doesn't understand. They're also extremely lengthy and probably filled with a lot of hot air. I find it rather unbelievable that a consumer is expected to read and understand something like that.
3 - Companies can put anything in a EULA that they want. As long as it's obscured in enough completely not understandable legal language, they can do pretty much everything to your PC and call it legal, because Sony bloody well knows no person on earth ever reads a EULA.
i still don't agree. it's their right to include this, but it's NOT their right to NOT include such information in any EULA. if you care not to read it, and it states it's installing such and such software, then there should be no whining after the fact. the company has a right to cover its @ss.Eraser wrote:The Quake 3 EULA is a 5 page document.
I don't feel that it's fair to expect everyone to read something like that prior to installing any piece of software. Clicking on an "ok" or "next" button shouldn't legally bind me to something to that.
While I do think that it's okay for a EULA to proclaim protection of the software, such as copyrights things and how you're not allowed to copy stuff. A EULA, however, should not be used to "allow"software to be installed without the user's consent.
R00k wrote:Would it be legal for Microsoft to install a backdoor into their OS that noone knows about but them? Even if they included it in the fine print of their license agreement?
and who says they haven't? i didn't say that just by noting it in the EULA that the installation of software with this kind of potential was "legal". no one knew anything about what it does until Russinovich popped it wide open.i think that you think that i don't agree with you. i'm merely stating that by intially NOT including something regarding any kind of software install in the EULA that they were obviously hiding this fact all along. and since we now know pretty much what it does, we can assume that this was no "mistake" on their part.R00k wrote:I think you're mincing words there though. For one, it's not the potential we're talking about. Sony's contractor intentionally made the software do what it does. Obviously they didn't intend other people to exploit it, but they didn't intend others to even find out about it.
Secondly, I don't think Sony got busted for not expressing that autorun should be disabled to avoid installing hidden software; it's the fact that they did not intend to tell anyone - that telling people about it was the explicit opposite of the software's functionality - that has destroyed their reputation.
I know most market analogies don't work with PC software due to its nature - but imagine if you took your car to a mechanic, and while they were changing the oil, they installed a device that used your engine's power to transmit mileage and usage data back to their office. So for every gallon of gas you bought, you would be donating a few cents of it to help their company with its marketing, without ever consenting or even knowing it.
