Fascism alive and well

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:20 am

[url=http://www.local6.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html]Woman Booted Off Flight For Anti-Bush Shirt
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Enjoy your freedom, America

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:22 am

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:59 am

Was the airline justified in removing this woman from the flight?

Yes, her shirt offended people.
20340 49%

No, it was her right to wear that shirt.
20783 51%

omg

Post by **4days** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:06 am

her shirt had the word 'fuck' on it, that could offend some people, especially if they had their kids with them or something.

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:15 am

oh please

Post by **Grudge** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:17 am

fucking lol

america

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:09 am

4days wrote:her shirt had the word 'fuck' on it, that could offend some people, especially if they had their kids with them or something.

There are millions of t-shirts with the word "fuck" on them...but they all relate to something other than Bush. The main difference with this shirt is that it bashed Bush.

If people find that having Bush on your shirt with derogatory swear words directed at Bush is offensive then they are indeed fascists.

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:10 am

Eraser wrote:Was the airline justified in removing this woman from the flight?

Yes, her shirt offended people.
20340 49%

No, it was her right to wear that shirt.
20783 51%

omg

Yeah...I laughed at that, too.

Post by **Dek** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:23 am

A company has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone. The last thing you want is some bush-nick on the plane at 30,000 feet wanting to throw you out the door because you've incited violence against yourself by wearing said shirt.

I'm sure you'd get booted from a flight for wearing a shirt saying "Radical Islamist" or "Bomb Technician" anything that can cause a disturbance in the air is pretty much removed from the flight.

She got kicked off for not changing out of the 'offensive' shirt not because she hates bush.. I've seen guys get removed from planes with a guy doing a chick on his shirt..

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:37 am

Dek wrote:A company has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone.

No, they don't. They really don't.

Post by **Dek** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:38 am

yes, yes they do...

After several conversations with flight attendants, Heasley agreed to cover the words by cuddling up with a sweatshirt. When the sweatshirt slipped while she was trying to sleep, she was ordered to wear her T-shirt inside-out or leave. The couple chose to leave.

McInnis said the rules filed with the FAA say the airline will deny boarding to any customer whose conduct is offensive, abusive, disorderly or violent or for clothing that is "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:39 am

Dek wrote:The last thing you want is some bush-nick on the plane at 30,000 feet wanting to throw you out the door because you've incited violence against yourself by wearing said shirt.

In that case they should, prior to boarding, present everyone on the flight with a form containing the question "are you a bush-nick" and a checkbox "yes" and a checkbox "no".

Refuse those that checked "yes".

Post by **Transient** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:40 am

Dek wrote:A company has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone. The last thing you want is some bush-nick on the plane at 30,000 feet wanting to throw you out the door because you've incited violence against yourself by wearing said shirt.

I'm sure you'd get booted from a flight for wearing a shirt saying "Radical Islamist" or "Bomb Technician" anything that can cause a disturbance in the air is pretty much removed from the flight.

She got kicked off for not changing out of the 'offensive' shirt not because she hates bush.. I've seen guys get removed from planes with a guy doing a chick on his shirt..

That being said, they're still fascists.

Post by **Transient** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:41 am

Eraser wrote:
Dek wrote:A company has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone.
No, they don't. They really don't.

AFAIK they do. Ever read those "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at gas stations?

Post by **Dek** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:44 am

yes, but I wonder if she would of gotten kicked off the plane wearing the "Attack of the Clones" anti-bush shirt.. with cheney, connie, and bushie.. I think it had more to do with the language then the anti-bush issues.

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:46 am

Dek wrote:yes, yes they do...

After several conversations with flight attendants, Heasley agreed to cover the words by cuddling up with a sweatshirt. When the sweatshirt slipped while she was trying to sleep, she was ordered to wear her T-shirt inside-out or leave. The couple chose to leave.

McInnis said the rules filed with the FAA say the airline will deny boarding to any customer whose conduct is offensive, abusive, disorderly or violent or for clothing that is "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

If I pay a gazillion dollar for a flight ticket, they're not going to refuse me entry. And who are they to decide what's offensive. IMO a T-Shirt with bush's face and "meet the fucker" is not offensive.

They find naked people offensive to deny entry? Do they find sexually dressed women on a T-shirt offensive enough? Do they find satanic symbols offensive enough? Do they find satanic symbols on a Doom 3 T-Shirt offensive? Do they find an Ozzy Osbourne T-Shirt with a pentagram on it offensive? Do they find a T-shirt with the text "our government consists of idiots" offensive enough?

I mean, where do you draw the line, and up to who is it to draw that line? If someone on the plane is offended by the T-Shirt and resolves to violence, then they are wrong and they should be removed from the plane.

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:49 am

Transient wrote:
Eraser wrote:
Dek wrote:A company has the 'right' to refuse service to anyone.
No, they don't. They really don't.
AFAIK they do. Ever read those "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at gas stations?

Maybe in their opinion, but I find it absolutely unacceptable.

Post by **Transient** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:49 am

Eraser wrote:I mean, where do you draw the line, and up to who is it to draw that line? If someone on the plane is offended by the T-Shirt and resolves to violence, then they are wrong and they should be removed from the plane.

I totally agree with you, but the fact remains that any business can legally refuse your money, for whatever reason they want.

Post by **Transient** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:51 am

Eraser wrote:Maybe in their opinion, but I find it absolutely unacceptable.

I'm imagining what it would be like to drive in a car with the word "FUCK" spraypainted in ginormous letters across the side. Hmm...

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:20 pm

that would be pretty lame. not offensive, just lame

Post by **Jackal** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:27 pm

LOL what a messed up country.

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:28 pm

But the American Civil Liberties Union said Heasley's T-shirt is "protected" free speech under the Constitution.

yes, protected from congress:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

but not from the dicks at that airline. i'm guessing it was the word FUCK that got her thrown off tbh

sorry but this story sounds like just crying wolf to me

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:31 pm

oh, and whether or not getting thrown off for having FUCK on her t-shirt is another issue. frankly i'd consider it politeness and courtesy to other people not walk around with MEET THE FUCKERS on my t-shirt

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:45 pm

Post by **Foo** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:46 pm

Clearly thrown off because of the use of the word 'fuckers'.

It's just been seized upon by anyone desperate for some anti-bush nonsense.

Dissapointing. It'd be preferable if anti-bush people would pick and choose their fights more carefully, add more credibility to the side.