r u religious?

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:17 pm

@ Kracus: Wow. Everytime I've thought that you couldn't post anything dumber you always seem to surprise me. People have believed in a higher power since recorded history began so why don't you go and do a bit of reading.

In this entire thread there is only one single thing you're right about: You don't have any proof.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:19 pm

Has it ever occured to you that at the time when history STARTED being recorded is a time when the human race as a whole was pretty clueless about everything!? Fuck they even thought the earth was flat but jsut cause they all beleived that didn't make it true now did it?

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:20 pm

Kracus wrote:Has it ever occured to you that at the time when history STARTED being recorded is a time when the human race as a whole was pretty clueless about everything!? Fuck they even thought the earth was flat but jsut cause they all beleived that didn't make it true now did it?

Has it ever occured to you that we still are? A mere 105 years ago flight was a fantasy.

Edit: To address the point I have been trying to make throughout this excuse for a thread, you cling to your choice of not believing with a fervour which blinds you to any other possibility. Its your certainty that you somehow "know" this and cannot be wrong even though you can't prove it that makes your stance so laughable. That's my entire point Kracus: We don't know.

Post by **Zyte** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:22 pm

Kracus wrote:Has it ever occured to you that at the time when history STARTED being recorded is a time when the human race as a whole was pretty clueless about everything!? Fuck they even thought the earth was flat but jsut cause they all beleived that didn't make it true now did it?

in a few hundred years mankind might laugh at how clueless it was in 2005..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:33 pm

I'm not denying there's a lot we don't know about the universe.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:41 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Kracus wrote:Has it ever occured to you that at the time when history STARTED being recorded is a time when the human race as a whole was pretty clueless about everything!? Fuck they even thought the earth was flat but jsut cause they all beleived that didn't make it true now did it?
Has it ever occured to you that we still are? A mere 105 years ago flight was a fantasy.

Edit: To address the point I have been trying to make throughout this excuse for a thread, you cling to your choice of not believing with a fervour which blinds you to any other possibility. Its your certainty that you somehow "know" this and cannot be wrong even though you can't prove it that makes your stance so laughable. That's my entire point Kracus: We don't know.

But you CHOOSE to beleive in an idea created by MAN that has no backup and every bit of evidence there is points to the fact that it's totaly untrue.

Now let's be clear too about what I do and don't beleive in here. I don't beleive in the definition of a god hence no god can possibly exist. I'm not however saying there is nothing beyond our universe. I don't know that. I'm not however going to assume that there is some omnipotent being out there watching us. There could be, I highly doubt it though since the idea of omnipotence is pretty laughable if you think about it logicly. But, the idea that there are beings or even a single being outside our universe is completely possible. To worship that being in a religious manner though is absurd. To me any being outside this universe is simply an alien, if that term can be applied since it's outside our universe but I see it the same way, just like there's probably aliens in our universe. It MIGHT be smarter than we are and even be evolved mentaly to such a degree that our minds are simply unable to comprehend what that would be but that does not make it a god by definition.

So don't put words in my mouth.

My point is that ANY religion on earth is based on an idea that was solely created by humans FOR humans. There is no divine intervention here no outside influence. The whole structure behind any religion is based on human ideas, nothing else. Or are you also saying the bible was written by the hand of god? So what you beleive in, is total bullshit.

There are no gods dude.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:47 pm

Kracus wrote:There are no gods dude.

None of what you just said proved that in the slightest Kracus. Minds infinitely more advanced than yours have been debating this very thing for millenia and thats the point that you just can't seem to wrap your head around. On the other hand, your rant about aliens makes the image of you and aimee that much more hilarious.

Post by **Iccy (temp)** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:49 pm

seremtan wrote:
i didn't say that religion was a defence mechanism. i said that the argument you originally made was a defence mechanism, the argument about the burden of proof resting on the unbeliever

Oh then your wrong then. I have nothing to defend, i just like to ask questions and bang things around.

Post by **Iccy (temp)** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Kracus wrote:There are no gods dude.
None of what you just said proved that in the slightest Kracus. Minds infinitely more advanced than yours have been debating this very thing for millenia and thats the point that you just can't seem to wrap your head around. On the other hand, your rant about aliens makes the image of you and aimee that much more hilarious.

Omg, is that really amiee?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:56 pm

Tormentius wrote:
Kracus wrote:There are no gods dude.
None of what you just said proved that in the slightest Kracus. Minds infinitely more advanced than yours have been debating this very thing for millenia and thats the point that you just can't seem to wrap your head around. On the other hand, your rant about aliens makes the image of you and aimee that much more hilarious.

Ok let's switch gears here for a second.

Awnser me this. How do you prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist outside this universe?

Post by **Hannibal** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:14 pm

Kracus has krakified another thread.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:51 pm

Yeah whatever, I know I'm right on this one.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:08 am

kracus dude your no different from them

you believe in something so much then criticise anyone who thinks differently

who gives a shit ? you believe in science yet you dont understand it yourself

atleast a catholic can pull a book out and say "because it says so by there"

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:17 am

Sorry chunk, you're just assuming that's what's going on. I'm asking questions these guys simply refuse to awnser. your' talking like I'm trying to ram this down your throat when I'm really trying to get people to logicly reason why they beleive what they do. I have my reasons for beleiving what I beleive. But as soon as I start asking questions too difficult to awnser torm just says I'm a retard. It's the same fucking thing in any thread I post in it's a fucking farce. I get called a retard for asking when really my questions are totaly legitimate, spot on, and carry a lot of weight when you really THINK about it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:22 am

Also quit using science as a type of religion. I don't worship science, I don't pray to science at night before going to sleep. Get it?

Post by **bork[e]** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:31 am

Tormentius wrote: @ Kracus: Wow. Everytime I've thought that you couldn't post anything dumber you always seem to surprise me. People have believed in a higher power since recorded history began so why don't you go and do a bit of reading.

In this entire thread there is only one single thing you're right about: You don't have any proof.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, start anything ect, but neither do you. :icon22:

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:31 am

im not using 'believe' in a biblical sense... get it ?

and yea, your saying we were horsefed all this shit when we were kids so we have to believe it

thats horseshit

i went to 2 catholic schools and come from a partially catholic background and guess what..... i aint catholic, but i understand where they are coming from

because you havnt been educated in religion you have a narrow minded sense of it

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:33 am

I was raised catholic. I just questioned it enough to figure out it was all bullshit.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:38 am

and you still made up your own mind....

bottom line, they believe in there religion as much as you 'believe ' (not biblical) in your science

you cant explain how the universe was created, all you got are theories... they cant prove god exists, all they got are bibles

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:40 am

looks like someone open pandora's box and a can of worms came out

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:43 am

im jsut bored, its 2AM on a thurs and i aints tired

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:44 am

Yeah but the difference between a theory and a bible is that one is an idea that you think might be possible but you don't know yet until you've proven it.

Religion cannot be proven or disproven simply because it's bogus to begin with but the bible CAN be proven to be fake or at the very least wrong on many counts. So you're analogy is completely wrong.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:54 am

no its not, because they believe in it as much as you believe in theories, yer ?

as far as they know they are making up there minds which have been taught to them by what they feel are educated poeple

just like you have been with science

bottom line, you 2 aint ever gunna meet in the middle so why even try ? or attempt to ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:00 am

Because what you're saying is totaly untrue. I only beleive in a theory so long as it's plausible and testable which religion is not. THAT'S the difference. I'm trying to make people realize why they beleive what they beleive.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:04 am

'you' feel that religion is untrue