then ur a moron...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 44,00.html
r u religious?
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in everyday life, god has been pragmatised but they still need some escape route to immortality if their secularism should fail.riddla wrote:Most all Americans who claim to be Christians couldn't be further from it. Exponentially obtuse.
it's like thinking: "i don't believe in god, but just for the case he exists, i pretend to"
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and there are other aspects to it that are actually more important.
more like:
"i want to solve it all on my own but if i should fail, i still have some secure escape route"
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you're looking only from one perspective.Kracus wrote:The core problem of any religion is that it programs the minds of those that are religious to simply accept what they are told no matter how crazy it is. You have to understand this from an atheist viewpoint though. It's like walking in a world of brainwashed people. It's pretty scary to be honest.
there's more to religion than the pure idea of opression and controll: people willingly deny themselves in order to be part of a system that reduces their possibilities in life to a controllable amount and furthermore (and more important) gives their life a definite meaning.
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That's the thing it gives them false meaning because what they preach are all lies. And people eat it up and spend billions supporting this idea. Trust me it is the one thing on this planet capable of crippling us on a social level and as a society evolving.Pext wrote:you're looking only from one perspective.Kracus wrote:The core problem of any religion is that it programs the minds of those that are religious to simply accept what they are told no matter how crazy it is. You have to understand this from an atheist viewpoint though. It's like walking in a world of brainwashed people. It's pretty scary to be honest.
there's more to religion than the pure idea of opression and controll: people willingly deny themselves in order to be part of a system that reduces their possibilities in life to a controllable amount and furthermore (and more important) gives their life a definite meaning.
The only true meaning that people don't get is that they blindly follow without asking questions and that's exactly what those in control of any organization wants, blind obedience. It's a disease and I've been seriously concidering devouting my time to teaching atheism.
do you know what the 'definition' of being a christian is? More accurate to say that most Americans who claim to be christians couldn't act less like the person whose teachings they claim to follow.riddla wrote:Most all Americans who claim to be Christians couldn't be further from it. Exponentially obtuse.
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Re: r u religious?
but is this about spirituality or just about organised religion, ritual and priests?
christianity is a religion of the desert, like islam and judaism. since i think religions are indelibly marked by the environment in which they first appeared, it's no surprise that these three religions tend toward harshness (like the desert). but when people move on from this harsh environment to a more temperate one (such as in europe), the need for these religions as a way of making sense of life diminishes
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Re: r u religious?
seremtan wrote:but is this about spirituality or just about organised religion, ritual and priests?
christianity is a religion of the desert, like islam and judaism. since i think religions are indelibly marked by the environment in which they first appeared, it's no surprise that these three religions tend toward harshness (like the desert). but when people move on from this harsh environment to a more temperate one (such as in europe), the need for these religions as a way of making sense of life diminishes
Although that's not a bad theory I think it's more along the lines of doubt us and suffer forever. Scare tactics.
That's not entirely true. Buried in the bullshit are some moralistic stories that are positive. Don't steal, be nice, etc. etc.Kracus wrote:That's the thing it gives them false meaning because what they preach are all lies.
Unfortunately they also teach other things that have nothing to do with good and bad and everything to do with what the top dogs of the church think, like homosexuality, marriage, etc. etc.
sounds like a truly shit study, which actually has more to do with society under a generalist umbrella of religion than anything else.
If it was a true critique of religion the author would have compared rates of civil and ciminal offences in specific religious communities with other non religious communities - thats the best way to get a clear picture. And it would not be that hard to do, fucken lazy arsed american reaserchers
If it was a true critique of religion the author would have compared rates of civil and ciminal offences in specific religious communities with other non religious communities - thats the best way to get a clear picture. And it would not be that hard to do, fucken lazy arsed american reaserchers
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A wise man once said.
" Spirituality brings us together, religion tears us apart"
Pretty much sums it up for me.
Personaly i think athiesm is a close minded religion in itself. By denying the existance of god you bind yourself to the same falicy that you claim to renounce. If you claim there is no god, where is your proof? The argument of the atheist is that no religions sect can prove they are right through scientific means. But like i said, lack of proof doesnt not equate to lack of existence. Prove to me god doesnt exist with hard indisputable facts, that cant be rebutled and you will be justified, till then your just another sheep in another herd, thats pretty much like the one you chose to reject, as much as you might not want to hear it.
Now if you really wanna talk about god and cant perscribe to a religion or decide if god exists, then agnostic is the way to go. Atleast a agnostic is admiting they simply do not know and is open to debate or facts leading to either direction. Its atleast a true factual and scientific mindset i feel. Atheist seems to be based of the idea of thumbing your nose to a idea, a reaction to the implication of a framework.
Oh and by the way, buddhism isnt a religion, but more a idea of being. Atleast this is my understanding of it. I would say of all organized frameworks, this is my favorite and most powerful one, atleast of the " ancient" paths to walk.
Frankly though i think its so much more simple then we all make it to be, each path holds a key, like a puzzle to a greater picture and its only when you align the universal truths do things come into focus. Like christians are the grace and humility. Buddhist is a idividalist stregth and almost sacrifical compassion, its these parts when looked at in their whole and added together do you see the validity of them all and how each in correct in much of what they say. Each is a representation of the human spirit and in turn a reflection of " god". Course i dont mean god in the christians sense, but more like.... well you know that big sequia thats like acres big, its like a bunch of trees all interconnected and is classified as one organism, even though its kinda not. Its the sum of its parts that make it 1 organism, but if you look at each part of it one by one, it seems separate. I dont know if that explains my point well, but there ya go.
But this is for another thread i suppose.
" Spirituality brings us together, religion tears us apart"
Pretty much sums it up for me.
Personaly i think athiesm is a close minded religion in itself. By denying the existance of god you bind yourself to the same falicy that you claim to renounce. If you claim there is no god, where is your proof? The argument of the atheist is that no religions sect can prove they are right through scientific means. But like i said, lack of proof doesnt not equate to lack of existence. Prove to me god doesnt exist with hard indisputable facts, that cant be rebutled and you will be justified, till then your just another sheep in another herd, thats pretty much like the one you chose to reject, as much as you might not want to hear it.
Now if you really wanna talk about god and cant perscribe to a religion or decide if god exists, then agnostic is the way to go. Atleast a agnostic is admiting they simply do not know and is open to debate or facts leading to either direction. Its atleast a true factual and scientific mindset i feel. Atheist seems to be based of the idea of thumbing your nose to a idea, a reaction to the implication of a framework.
Oh and by the way, buddhism isnt a religion, but more a idea of being. Atleast this is my understanding of it. I would say of all organized frameworks, this is my favorite and most powerful one, atleast of the " ancient" paths to walk.
Frankly though i think its so much more simple then we all make it to be, each path holds a key, like a puzzle to a greater picture and its only when you align the universal truths do things come into focus. Like christians are the grace and humility. Buddhist is a idividalist stregth and almost sacrifical compassion, its these parts when looked at in their whole and added together do you see the validity of them all and how each in correct in much of what they say. Each is a representation of the human spirit and in turn a reflection of " god". Course i dont mean god in the christians sense, but more like.... well you know that big sequia thats like acres big, its like a bunch of trees all interconnected and is classified as one organism, even though its kinda not. Its the sum of its parts that make it 1 organism, but if you look at each part of it one by one, it seems separate. I dont know if that explains my point well, but there ya go.
But this is for another thread i suppose.
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But once i was finaly able to split the atom
i built me some bombs and droped them on every mother fucker that got in my way."
But once i was finaly able to split the atom
i built me some bombs and droped them on every mother fucker that got in my way."