Instant police justice in Britain?

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:25 pm

Have any of you UK'ers heard anything about this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ortal.html

Post by **Don Carlos** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:27 pm

Its a joke and it would never happen.
It would be murder if they attempted it...

Post by **4days** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:38 pm

they've been coming out with sensationalist bullshit like this for a while now, maybe trying to suss public opinion on id cards or draw attention away from the scary new anti-terror laws that are coming in.

but memph is right, the only thing that 'instant justice' would lead to is more assaults on the police.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:49 pm

I'm a law abiding citizen. If you havn't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Those who break the law must be punished. I have no problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is changes in our laws and the removal of civil liberties.

Post by **seremtan** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:01 pm

..."modernisation" of the force should be carried forward by introducing "an escalator of powers" for the dispensing of instant justice...

oh noes not more "modernisation". someone should "modernise" this guys arse into a dole queue somewhere

He conceded that such powers should be dispensed with care "and without turning the place into a police state, which would be unfortunate".

unfortunate? UN-FUCKING-FORTUNATE??!!111

someone please sack this cock

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:42 pm

Yea. It seems to me that just the fact he would say it is pretty alarming.

I would like to say that a police chief over here who said that would be canned immediately.... But I don't really think that would be the case these days.

Post by **Canis** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:29 pm

They should instate that law everywhere...

Post by **losCHUNK** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:51 pm

Memphis wrote:Lol.

No 5-0 would have the sack to walk the streets if that was imposed here.

w0rd

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:57 pm

Canis wrote:They should instate that law everywhere...

Funny.

Post by **-Nick-** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:19 pm

news flash!!! police CAN seize vehicles and driving licences already, but then goto court to have a licence removed from the person, or the vehicle seized permanantly.

and how often do police seize vehicles at the moment? not very fucking often. and only if they break a very specific series of critera (sp)

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:41 pm

Cops can't take licenses. You don't turn your license in until after you're convicted of the crime.

edit: And they can impound/tow your car (unless you have somebody to drive it home for you), but they can't seize it until you go to court.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:13 pm

If you refuse a breathalyzer you instantly lose your license for a year. Isn't that the same thing?

Post by **eepberries** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 pm

and issue anti-social behaviour orders on the spot.

what

Post by **-Nick-** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 pm

rook, i am uk man, which is what this is about. and yes, policemen can seize your licence, in its physical form, but you can still drive until a magistrate or crown court decide to take it from you, then you can't drive leglly.

and as for seizing, if the car is being using in an anti social manner (in the eyes of the law), for instance a cruise, then they warn once, then if you are seen taking the same actions within 3 months of the initial occurance, then they can take your car.

Post by **-Nick-** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:31 pm

Nightshade wrote:If you refuse a breathalyzer you instantly lose your license for a year. Isn't that the same thing?

technically no, if you refuse over here, then you will be arrested for failing to provide a specimen of breathe, then, if the test then comes out positive, you then follow what i mentioned above. but you got the gist of it NS

Post by **-Nick-** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:34 pm

eepberries wrote:
and issue anti-social behaviour orders on the spot.
what

anti social behaviour...such as repeat offenders of public order offences, can be issued to an individual to prevent them from being in a particular place at a specified time. i.e. a group of kids outside a shopping precinct.....if a ring leader or repeat offender is identified then an asbo can be issued to prevcent them from being there between specified hours. and if they are caught there, then they can be arrested and taken to the earliest court appearence.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:42 pm

Nightshade wrote:If you refuse a breathalyzer you instantly lose your license for a year. Isn't that the same thing?

No, you still don't lose it until you go to court. The cop doesn't take it away.

That's the implied consent law, which states that you consent to a breathalyzer (or blood or urine test) simply by getting a drivers license.

Still, they have to prove you broke that law in court before they can revoke your driving priveleges.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:43 pm

-Nick- wrote:rook, i am uk man, which is what this is about. and yes, policemen can seize your licence, in its physical form, but you can still drive until a magistrate or crown court decide to take it from you, then you can't drive leglly.

and as for seizing, if the car is being using in an anti social manner (in the eyes of the law), for instance a cruise, then they warn once, then if you are seen taking the same actions within 3 months of the initial occurance, then they can take your car.

Sorry, I thought you were American.

Still, don't you have to go to court? I mean, even if the officer physically takes your license, don't you have to go to court and be convicted before it goes on your record that you aren't allowed to drive?

This article is about removing courts from the equation in certain circumstances - at least the way I read it. You wouldn't be able to go to court if you wanted to.

Post by **Haystacker17** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:12 am

R00k wrote:
-Nick- wrote:rook, i am uk man, which is what this is about. and yes, policemen can seize your licence, in its physical form, but you can still drive until a magistrate or crown court decide to take it from you, then you can't drive leglly.

and as for seizing, if the car is being using in an anti social manner (in the eyes of the law), for instance a cruise, then they warn once, then if you are seen taking the same actions within 3 months of the initial occurance, then they can take your car.
Sorry, I thought you were American.

Still, don't you have to go to court? I mean, even if the officer physically takes your license, don't you have to go to court and be convicted before it goes on your record that you aren't allowed to drive?

This article is about removing courts from the equation in certain circumstances - at least the way I read it. You wouldn't be able to go to court if you wanted to.

from what i know rook you are right.

Post by **Eraser** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:22 am

I read US cops don't know how to handle gay people.

"don't know how to handle gay people"... wtf? Why should they be handled in any way different than straight people?

Post by **neh** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:23 am

Eraser wrote:I read US cops don't know how to handle gay people.

"don't know how to handle gay people"... wtf? Why should they be handled in any way different than straight people?

becuase they always have a knob on and like fuckin arses (this is presumably what they think I'm guessing)

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:22 pm

R00k wrote:Cops can't take licenses. You don't turn your license in until after you're convicted of the crime.

edit: And they can impound/tow your car (unless you have somebody to drive it home for you), but they can't seize it until you go to court.

they can here

Post by **losCHUNK** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:26 pm

aye, i thought they could take licenses n all, but you can still drive untill told by the court

Post by **Canis** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:19 pm

Eraser wrote:I read US cops don't know how to handle gay people.

"don't know how to handle gay people"... wtf? Why should they be handled in any way different than straight people?

...because once the cop starts handling them roughly, the gay dudes love it and scream out "oh give it to me daddy!!!", which the cops dont like...