Dolby headphone

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:56 am

although it will never replace a real surround setup, Dolby labs has come up with a fantastic virtual 5.1 (but i use the ".1" loosely) for use with a normal set of headphones. this technology uses a highly sophisticated room modeling algorithm that mimics surround sound very convincingly.

put on your headphones, and take a listen. click on the orange headphones on the right of the page.

The flash demo: very convincing for only two speakers. These types of demos REALLY sound amazing on a proper setup, but this particular demo surprised me.

The trailer demo: not much seperation there. depth was almost non existant also. a poor demo, imo.

Super Speedway demo: well, i own this particular dvd, so no matter what i'm going to be biased. this demo lets you know via text that's located above the movie whether it's in stereo or surround. again, better than i thought it would be, but doesn't hold a candle to a proper setup. *note* if you enjoy auto racing at ALL and have a 5.1 system, this is a must-have dvd.

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:06 am

Ah, proper equipment for the audiophiles amongst us.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:17 am

no, even a 5.1 setup with cheap speakers is still more convincing IF they're set up properly.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:12 pm

how can you headphone wearing kids not think this is cool?

Post by **plained** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:15 pm

i like the squeeze headsphones put on my head :yeas:

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:20 pm

that works too

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:05 pm

Sounds great on my headphones which have a very wide soundstage anyway. The first demo sounds great, second demo sounds shit, speedway sounds good.

Btw juggly, old

http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthre ... t=speedway

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:13 pm

yes, old there, Home Theater Forum, and AVS Forum, but the only reason you're saying that is because you went to head-fi to search before you posted this there.

i'm glad you agree exactly with my quick review re: the demos.

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:28 pm

Ye juggy, wasn't saying old in a bad way because I wasn't aware of this technology myself. I wanted to see if head fi knew about it.
Which of course, they do. No surprises there really.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:35 pm

of course.

Post by **zewulf** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:11 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:Super Speedway demo: well, i own this particular dvd, so no matter what i'm going to be biased. this demo lets you know via text that's located above the movie whether it's in stereo or surround. again, better than i thought it would be, but doesn't hold a candle to a proper setup. *note* if you enjoy auto racing at ALL and have a 5.1 system, this is a must-have dvd.

As great as it sounds compared to regular stereo, it still doesn't make it sound like anything you hear in person at the race track (I'm not really knocking on this virtual 5.1 technology but more on the recording itself

). I have yet to hear a recording of a race car that sounds like the real thing :icon32:

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:16 pm

get the dvd. it sounds better than going to a race because it's recorded from the cockpit.

Post by **zewulf** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:38 pm

That's not what I meant. Even if it were recorded from the cockpit, I bet it still doesn't sound like what it reeally sounds like from inside the cockpit. Get it?

I think current recording technology still can't capture the real eseence of racing engine sounds

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:41 pm

zewulf wrote:That's not what I meant. Even if it were recorded from the cockpit, I bet it still doesn't sound like what it reeally sounds like from inside the cockpit. Get it?

I think current recording technology still can't capture the real eseence of racing engine sounds

i don't agree. you'd have to experience that dvd in DTS with a proper setup before you can say that. nothing previous to it sounded close. this was orginally an IMAX release.

Post by **zewulf** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:22 pm

I'm not an audiophile, and I don't really know how to explain it, but with most racing audio, there always seems to be something missing there or being muted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's way off, but it's enough for me to tell the difference :icon32:

I think the best and most realistic racing audio I've heard in recent memory was the qualifying lap of JV in the BAR at the new Hockenheimring a few years back, and it's the trackside audio and not the T-cam audio (IMO current F1 T-cam audio sounds absolutely shit). I think the audio was only 22Khz/8-bit but uncompressed (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately, I don't have that clip anymore

I think another racing clip with good audio is Hans Stuck's Nordschleife lap in the BMW M3 GTR (which is the best Nordschleife clip I've ever seen btw). The audio in this clip is 44Khz/96kbps WMA9. It sounds even better with a sub (although that doesn't really make it sound more realistic)

Of course, any old onboard footage with Senna in the McLaren always sound pretty nice. I think that's due to the manual shifting and the fact that Honda engine had always sounded absolutely awesome way back then

Post by **andyman** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:24 pm

NOTHENG SOUNDZ MOAR REALISTIC THEN A POD RASER

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:43 pm

zewulf wrote:I'm not an audiophile, and I don't really know how to explain it, but with most racing audio, there always seems to be something missing there or being muted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's way off, but it's enough for me to tell the difference :icon32:

I think the best and most realistic racing audio I've heard in recent memory was the qualifying lap of JV in the BAR at the new Hockenheimring a few years back, and it's the trackside audio and not the T-cam audio (IMO current F1 T-cam audio sounds absolutely shit). I think the audio was only 22Khz/8-bit but uncompressed (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately, I don't have that clip anymore

I think another racing clip with good audio is Hans Stuck's Nordschleife lap in the BMW M3 GTR (which is the best Nordschleife clip I've ever seen btw). The audio in this clip is 44Khz/96kbps WMA9. It sounds even better with a sub (although that doesn't really make it sound more realistic)

Of course, any old onboard footage with Senna in the McLaren always sound pretty nice. I think that's due to the manual shifting and the fact that Honda engine had always sounded absolutely awesome way back then

DTS bitrate is a minimum on this particular dvd streaming at 754.75Kbits per second. No other recording has come close that i've heard. Of course it sounds better with a sub, but it should sound more REALISTIC with one most of all. if your levels are set correctly, it sounds fantastic.

nice to see another F1 fan here.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:44 pm

andyman wrote:NOTHENG SOUNDZ MOAR REALISTIC THEN A POD RASER

lol

to give that clip credit, it has some of the lowest and loudest bass on any current dvd. very good demo material.

Post by **simple** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:49 pm

I'm calling them on their bull shit. There is no way to create surround sound with two speakers.

BTW I have a pair of virtual surround sound head phones. They're ok for watching movies, but they're horrible for gaming. Watching a movie in virtual surround sound is deffently an experiences; but I wouldn't say they're better or worse then a normal set of ear phones.
It's just different, i've noticed unlike normal ear phones, the sound gets real funky if I have like computer volume 50% and move volume 50%. It's like listening through a door. I have to do like 100% and 20% to get them to sound right. Witch can be a problem if you have a couple programs open. Nothing like having the aol message beep blasted into your ears.

Virtual surround sound costs more then a normal set of ear phones. For what you get, I can't say it's a worth while investment. On the go it's easer to have ear buds, cheaper too. At home you could get a nice set of ear phones for the price of the virtual bull shit.

I think it's really misleading to call it virtual surround sound. It may sound closer to the movie thuter expernces, but it lacks the seround-ness. I've even seen some of the new virtual surround sound ear phones; advertised as 6 speak surround sound. But I haven't found a single pair that is truly creates surround sound.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:58 pm

simple wrote:I'm calling them on their bull shit. There is no way to create seround sound with two speakers.

BTW I have a pair of seround sound head phones. They're good for watching movies, but not for gaming.

did you even bother listening to a demo? the flash demo is spatially correct.

also, how can your "surround head phones" work with movies, but not for gaming?

Post by **simple** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:38 pm

The hole point to seround sound in gaming is to be able to detect direction. Wether it be a race car behind you vs the one infrot of you, or where the sniper is shooting from.

I think dobly digitial's vertual seround sound is deffently a step forword. It offers a much more robust sound in comparison to sterio. But to me it realy feelslike 180 degre sound.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:48 pm

simple wrote:The hole point to seround sound in gaming is to be able to detect direction. Wether it be a race car behind you vs the one infrot of you, or where the sniper is shooting from.

i don't need audio 101.

simple wrote:I think dobly digitial's vertual seround sound is deffently a step forword. It offers a much more robust sound in comparison to sterio. But to me it realy feelslike 180 degre sound.

to each his own.

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