SiN Episodes

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:03 pm

why? it looks like a 5 year old bad game...

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:03 pm

Can wait for it not to come out in a store near you!

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:14 pm

Amazing how you took a "meh" post by me, and ignored a flame post directly above it. Or is it because you want to invoke a response? Or do you just love me too like Mr MagneticCunt?

Heres the deal. I pay money for games. I pay money for games just so i can have the shiney box and manual, and original disk on my shelf. I pay money for games so that in 2 months when i want to reinstall it, i can, perfectly fine, because i have the disk.

If i was going to pay money for a game with no box, cover, book or CD, only an install that wont work forever (It wont work as soon as the company goes down. Valve already stated this about source), then i would just download the thing and save my money.

Ok champ?

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:15 pm

Out of curiosity, what happens when if yor hard drive fails? Are you able to re-download it or would you have to buy it again?
I should think Steam will recognise the fact you have paid and add it to your account?

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:18 pm

Don Carlos wrote:Out of curiosity, what happens when if yor hard drive fails? Are you able to re-download it or would you have to buy it again?
I should think Steam will recognise the fact you have paid and add it to your account?

Your able to re-download, because you have an account. But once again, steam has to always be "activated", and you cant play when steam servers are down, or when the company goes bust in 5 years like most do (or the core tech gets updated)

For example, if Half Life 1 was released at its time on source via the download method, it wouldn't work today, because the old server auth's are gone.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:19 pm

o'dium wrote:
If i was going to pay money for a game with no box, cover, book or CD, only an install that wont work forever (It wont work as soon as the company goes down. Valve already stated this about source), then i would just download the thing and save my money.

Thats a cunt of a thing
I agree Odium. If i am buying a game i would like a physical
product for me to install and uninstall at my lesuire. Not hope
the servers aint bogged down and it takes me a week get the
content i payed for.

Even if they allow you to back it up via iso or summat, would be nice?

Post by **Grudge** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:20 pm

I'm more worried that I'll forget my Steam account password.

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:21 pm

Well the reason that they started all this is because it cuts out the middle man, and saves money on needless cases/books that will never get sold...

But why dont they just say "buy it from us, you can download it now, and we will ship the game/book/case out to you ASAP".

That works for me. I get the game instantly, they get the sale, and they dont loose out huge amounts of money for stuff that will never be sold.

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:23 pm

Memphis wrote:Secondly, you pay money JUST for a box then? Plain and simple materialism. And who gives a shit if it doesn't work in 10 years time.
Are you not going to play with your dick again then because that won't work forever either. Your logic is as flawed as your personality. And that's saying something.

Yes, I pay money just for the box. Im sorry thats so bad.

And i give a shit if it doesn't work in 10 years time. Ever heard of "retro gaming"? How fucked off would you be in Mario 3 didn't work anymore, because nintendo gave it a "life span".

CDs have a life span of a 100 years or something like that. So should games. Simple.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:24 pm

o'dium wrote:Well the reason that they started all this is because it cuts out the middle man, and saves money on needless cases/books that will never get sold...

But why dont they just say "buy it from us, you can download it now, and we will ship the game/book/case out to you ASAP".

That works for me. I get the game instantly, they get the sale, and they dont loose out huge amounts of money for stuff that will never be sold.

You still need bulk amounts of things to printed or it will be too expensive.
Manuals dont bother me to be honest, just a physical CD so i have
it there to install and uninstall as i said. I never read manuals

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:25 pm

Oh hey heres another one. Sega's dreamcast went bust, which meant that EVERY dreamcast stopped working instantly, and nobody can play the games or use the machine anymore. That fine too yeah?

Post by **Grudge** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:26 pm

btw check out where it says "Offline mode: Ready" and "Backup game files..."

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:28 pm

No. We would only be "missing out" if the product never made it to retail, which is a retarded thing to do anyway.

Id still download the game, fuck the compnay in the ass for doing something so stupid.

And BTW, I STEAL THE GLASSES WHEN I GO OUT DRINKING TOO. :OLO:

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:30 pm

Memphis wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:
Thats a cunt of a thing
I agree Odium. If i am buying a game i would like a physical
product for me to install and uninstall at my lesuire.

Even if they allow you to back it up via iso or summat, would be nice?
You go drinking and pay decent amounts of cash to do it. You do it for the experience. You don't keep the glass, you don't stay drunk and you get no tangible object for your money, yet you still do it.

You're paying for the experience of playing. If this turns out to be a cracking gaming experience and you don't partake because you don't get a box, then that's your election. You'd be missing out.

Granted but i go drinking to see my mates and have a laugh
Just for the social aspect really. I do keep the glass sometimes

If your chunk you get to keep ash trays, 8 of them...

Basically, you can go out drinking as many times as you want as
its a physical activity. You can only install this once and you dont
have a physical representation/copy of that game for you to play
it at any time you want. Its not about money or gain, its about choice.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:32 pm

Grudge wrote:btw check out where it says "Offline mode: Ready" and "Backup game files..."

Does it create an ISO of the data??

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:37 pm

Memphis wrote:
Don Carlos wrote: its about choice.
As I stated from the start. Welcome to the light side.
Though you don't even realise you actually got here

I havnt been arguing against you saying steam is shit or anything
I would just prefer a physical copy to install when i wanted

I dont like being tied up to a company that as odium said, might
not exist 3 years down the line. But you know as well as anyone the
value of playing old games

We had some good fun goin old school

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:27 pm

o'dium wrote:No. We would only be "missing out" if the product never made it to retail, which is a retarded thing to do anyway.

Id still download the game, fuck the compnay in the ass for doing something so stupid.

And BTW, I STEAL THE GLASSES WHEN I GO OUT DRINKING TOO. :OLO:

http://www.dvd-and-media.com/dvd-cases.htm

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Post by **shiznit** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:33 pm

You can play the game offline if you really want to and you can backup the game yourself. I have no problem with steam and games being released like this, it's actually easier for me because after a format all I have to do is download steam click on hl2 and wait half and hour for the full updated game. Otherwise I have find the cds, install the game, locate all the patches and download them/install them.

I throw the game box anyway.

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:48 pm

its mempho's "materialism"-angle again

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:14 pm

Memphis, what does it matter to you if i pay my earned money on a plastic dvd box and cd or not? Does it really bother you that much that you have to cry like a little bitch about it none stop?

Hey, guess what, i put my milk in LAST when i make a cup of coffee. Guess i'm wrong again there too huh miss?

Post by **Foo** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:18 pm

Steam is OK if that's all you can afford...

Post by **Foo** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:38 pm

On the subject of Steam... the idea is OK, but I would also like to have the option of ordering a copy to be delivered (I dont need a box and a manual, but a DVD with a proper printed cover in a throwaway case would be fine).

Post by **Whiskey 7** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:47 am

Thanks for the heads up Memphis :icon14:

On that link I read in the forums that the game would be available in a retail box. I hope so. I enjoyed the original Sin game. Must go look for the CD

Post by **Scourge** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:58 am

As long as I can back up the game on my own disks and the manual can be saved as a .pdf or really .txt as far as I care then I'm ok with it. I do care if it works in 10 years though, I still play DOOM and a few other rather old games and would hate to think that I couldn't play them anymore. As far as steam goes, I haven't had any problems with it so far.

My $.02