suicide and ssri's

[4days]

anyone got much experience with either?

just been to see a very good friend who's gone completely batshit on seroxat (paxil, for the folks across the pond). he used to drink a lot and it was fucking his life up. been cutting down drastically for the last few months (like a few beers per week instead of per hour), getting himself a job, working down a checklist of normality. things were looking pretty good - then he goes for a checkup at his GP and 3 weeks and a few packs of seroxat later, he's a fucking spastic drooling suicidal mess.

this is the fourth person i've known that takes seroxat, and the fourth that's reacted really badly to it. on the plus side, he's only tried to top himself and then talked about it a bit rather than running around with an axe and sending people tons of pervy text messages (which is what happened with the last one).

i've got a shitty bedside manner, a mel gibson approach to suicidal people and the benefit of previous experience to tell me that i need to get him professional help - but that can't happen until tomorrow morning.

so far the only experience i've seen people have with seroxat/paxil is being reduced to a pitiful fucking shadow, followed by a long and horrible withdrawl. has anyone here taken the stuff and *not* had a thoroughly shitty time with it? and did you manage to stop taking it without serious withdrawl symptoms?


bit off-topic, but met his next-door neighbour while i was there, an ex-para who owns a parrot that's been keeping him awake for days by impersonating his smoke detector. we were sat chatting and smoking on the front step while this dirty great grey bird repeated "hello, hello, hel-ooh,. AWOOOGA AWOOOGA AWOOOGA" over and over again.

[brisk]

bit off-topic, but met his next-door neighbour while i was there, an ex-para who owns a parrot that's been keeping him awake for days by impersonating his smoke detector.

That is officially the most surreal sentence i've ever read at Q3W.

[Guest]

anyone got much experience with either?

just been to see a very good friend who's gone completely batshit on seroxat (paxil, for the folks across the pond). he used to drink a lot and it was fucking his life up. been cutting down drastically for the last few months (like a few beers per week instead of per hour), getting himself a job, working down a checklist of normality. things were looking pretty good - then he goes for a checkup at his GP and 3 weeks and a few packs of seroxat later, he's a fucking spastic drooling suicidal mess.

this is the fourth person i've known that takes seroxat, and the fourth that's reacted really badly to it. on the plus side, he's only tried to top himself and then talked about it a bit rather than running around with an axe and sending people tons of pervy text messages (which is what happened with the last one).

i've got a shitty bedside manner, a mel gibson approach to suicidal people and the benefit of previous experience to tell me that i need to get him professional help - but that can't happen until tomorrow morning.

so far the only experience i've seen people have with seroxat/paxil is being reduced to a pitiful fucking shadow, followed by a long and horrible withdrawl. has anyone here taken the stuff and *not* had a thoroughly shitty time with it? and did you manage to stop taking it without serious withdrawl symptoms?


bit off-topic, but met his next-door neighbour while i was there, an ex-para who owns a parrot that's been keeping him awake for days by impersonating his smoke detector. we were sat chatting and smoking on the front step while this dirty great grey bird repeated "hello, hello, hel-ooh,. AWOOOGA AWOOOGA AWOOOGA" over and over again.

Man I couldn't read it all...
But I read enough.
I am sure you're young too. Take Care More to come now
Pete

[Guest]

Life is a fucking mess we have to decifer.
Sorry my english is far from perfect but I hope you'll understand.
Pete

[4days]

Life is a fucking mess we have to decifer.
Sorry my english is far from perfect but I hope you'll understand.
Pete

no worries mate, my english is pretty far from perfect too

[Guest]

May I ask you how old you are?
Pete
I am a fucking 48 YO French Canadian at that but I have all my brains
Pete

[Guest]

May I asked you how old you are?
You know already that I am an old 48YO.
You saw my pic already of how I look like?
Pete

[Nightshade]

Get him off that shit, and I mean now. Antidepressants can work wonders, but when they go badly, they can go VERY badly.

[tnf]

yea, ssri's can be miracle drugs for some folks, but in teenagers i think there is plenty of reason for close scrutiny, and plenty of reason not to ignore any warning signs.

but...DO NOT STOP TAKING SSRI'S COLD TURKEY. withdrawal is mitigated by tapering off them. i've known a folks who had no problem tapering off them.

his parents, doc, someone, should be made aware of this asap.

[Guest]

[tnf]

pete you don't need to do that...he's not talking about himself.

[4days]

ah bless and 30 last week btw.

@ tnf/ns

cheers, it's all under control(ish). taking him over to the drunktank in the morning to get him checked in. a couple of people have told me it's an okay place, they just lock you down and make you eat and sleep for the first month, which is what he needs more than anything.

it's the drug bit that makes me angry, he was fine and now he isn't. they give the things out like bloody smarties over here.

[Guest]

pete you don't need to do that...he's not talking about himself.

Thanks SIR TNF.
Then I will speak to all the others, I am strong enought. But still...
Not really true.
I had my eyes really wet when I read that....
Still are...I had two of my friends commiting suicide when they were only 22YO same age I was, another one 24YO then another one I haven't see for a long time...Cancer...
Men take care of you and your family. They are the precious things in your LIFE.

Pete

[ajerara]

The problem with the ssris is that they react differently with different people's body chemistry, so you have to try to find one which actually works as it is supposed to with your particular body chemistry. Means you have to have a good doctor, not just a pez dispenser.

Also, they are slowly realizing that these things cause suicide in young people, there is something different about how they act on say teenagers and young people. it's something which doctors are not ready to admit, but meanwhile the death toll is rising. One of our clients at work lost his 20 year old daughter to suicide induced by an antidepressant drug she was taking.

Me, I'll just stay crazy and try to make it work.

[Nightshade]

yea, ssri's can be miracle drugs for some folks, but in teenagers i think there is plenty of reason for close scrutiny, and plenty of reason not to ignore any warning signs.

but...DO NOT STOP TAKING SSRI'S COLD TURKEY. withdrawal is mitigated by tapering off them. i've known a folks who had no problem tapering off them.

his parents, doc, someone, should be made aware of this asap.

Aww c'mon. Seizures are fun for everyone!

[[xeno]Julios]

I gave some advice on paxil (including tips for quitting) here:

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/cgi ... 6;hl=paxil

this advice should be qualified: I haven't had direct personal experience with the drug, but have had friends on it.

one post I made in the thread:

shakeel - have you tried tapering the dose off milligram by milligram? You need to convert to the liquid form of seroxat to do this (or switch to the liquid prozac and taper off in a similar fashion)
have you consulted a doctor/therapist about quitting seroxat, and been given a specific program to follow?

[Don Carlos]

bit off-topic, but met his next-door neighbour while i was there, an ex-para who owns a parrot that's been keeping him awake for days by impersonating his smoke detector.

That is officially the most surreal sentence i've ever read at Q3W.

w3rd

Thats actually quite amazing

[shadd_]

yeah i think paxil should be prescribed for anxiety only.

i think it was originally prescribed for an anti-depressant but became known as an excellent anti-anxiety med. also the "addiction" is totally physical, you don't crave it at all. you just have to ween yourself off.

[Eraser]

Why did he get anti-depressants when things were clearing up for him? Doesn't make sense. Reminds me of Requiem for a Dream as well

[Eraser]

bit off-topic, but met his next-door neighbour while i was there, an ex-para who owns a parrot that's been keeping him awake for days by impersonating his smoke detector.

That is officially the most surreal sentence i've ever read at Q3W.

The (now dead) parrot of a friend of my father was very good at mimicking the sound of a bottle of beer being poured in a glass.

No joke.

[glossy]

i hate the fact that drugs -- not just anti-depressants, but they are the ones with most significant personal impact -- are being handed out to everyone and anyone who requests them, or is reluctant about other treatments (like getting over it).

[Youth] suicide is too much of an issue these days, without adding extra drugs to the mix and fucking everything up. Too many friends have died, and too many people have killed themselves in vain.

[Don Carlos]

feelin u glossy

[Mat Linnett]

Damn 4days, that story about the para and his parrot had me laughing so loud I got strange looks from everybody in the office.

Weird feeling after reading the stuff about your poor mate.

[Zyte]

I heard on the news that 9/12 people who took anti-depressants turned suicidal versus 3/12 from the people who didnt took em. Was a few weeks ago.

[glossy]

I heard on the news that 9/12 people who took anti-depressants turned suicidal versus 3/12 from the people who didnt took em. Was a few weeks ago.

it could be argued that most of the people who were perscribed anti-depressants were the ones who actually needed them, with only a 3/12 success rate among that group... Always be prepared to take a pessimistic view toward statistics like that, which are easily skewed toward a contention