How come none of you are talking about the hugeass hurricane

Post by **Foo** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:55 pm

Guess?

Are there any published figures?

Post by **ajerara** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:09 pm

"Best of luck guys. It may sound evil but I hope the place does get totally fucked over. I'd like to see the reactions it would cause the following people:"

Magnetichead, you are a total fcking retard. I wouldn't wish death and devastation on any region of any country no matter what. I'd like to come and get you, tie you up and drop you right in the path of this hurricane, and you can see for yourself how much fun it's going to be. You haven't got a brain in your head.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:12 pm

Foo wrote:Guess?

Are there any published figures?

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:13 pm

Did I say I wanted anyone to get hurt? No. Know why? Because I don't.

I hope the PLACE get's fucked open. Natural disasters do wonders for redevelopment.

Post by **Foo** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:18 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
Foo wrote:Guess?

Are there any published figures?
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs

Cheers. Confirms the highest total but lowest as a percentage.

Post by **Maiden** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:32 pm

Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
Foo wrote:Guess?

Are there any published figures?
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs
Cheers. Confirms the highest total but lowest as a percentage.

not a bad guess eh?

but i would question those numbers a little as well. Japan seems to be a bit lower than I remember from when I was working with this stuff.

tho, it could be the 292874629629847 brews I've had since then.

Post by **ajerara** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:55 pm

way to backpedal.

Post by **Tsakali** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:58 pm

I'm about 120 miles north of new orleans in a hotel, when I go back home I'm expecting to have the luxuries of a cave man for a few months... thanx for the sympathy

Post by **tnf** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:21 pm

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Did I say I wanted anyone to get hurt? No. Know why? Because I don't.

I hope the PLACE get's fucked open. Natural disasters do wonders for redevelopment.

yea, and do wonders for people having to rebuild entire lives and losing everything they have....but you don't want anyone hurt...so its all good.

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:26 pm

Lives are not made up of things that can be destroyed by wind and water..

Post by **raw** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:33 pm

I already survived this hurricane.

Post by **eepberries** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:07 am

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Lives are not made up of things that can be destroyed by wind and water..

I bet you'd kill yourself if someone stole your shitty bat country goggles and hair gel. Shut the fuck up kid, you're a walking contradiction

Post by **tnf** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:10 am

doesn't he have organge and red and yellow and such in his hair or is that someone else?

Post by **eepberries** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:10 am

tnf wrote:doesn't he have organge and red and yellow and such in his hair or is that someone else?

Yeah that's him

Post by **farad** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:23 am

...hmmm...I'm 60 miles north of New Orleans...maybe I should straighten up for a day or two...

Post by **farad** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:24 am

...nahhh...

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:41 am

Dave wrote:
seremtan wrote:
Nightshade wrote:This will serve to illustrate once more that whenever horrid shit happens in the world, the damaged country looks to the US with their hands out.
Same shit happens here, no one gives a fuck.
not even remotely true. US govt aid is among the lowest in the western world, and the majority of it goes to israel and egypt, two US clients, and not for humanitarian reasons either. the remainder is largely linked to the needs of US businesses re. cutting 'trade barriers' etc.

please note that i said US GOVT. i've no idea how much ordinary americans give to international charities, but it's fair to say that the US is better placed to deal with hurricanes than bangladesh is to deal with massive floods. it's also fair to say that the "same shit happens here, no one gives a fuck" cuts the other way rather more sharply than it does the way you mean.
Not that I care either way, but do you have a source or are you making it up?

the source for the first para is just about every chomsky book i've ever read. the source for the second para is mostly me because that's just my opinion, and the general observation that were a turrurist carbomb to go off in boise idaho it'd be leading news in the UK but when one goes off in baghdad (i.e. almost every day) it isn't. i'm not suggesting that overseas aid is astronomical in europe or anywhere else, just that US aid as a % of GDP is among the lowest and most goes on building israeli settlements in the west bank and some to egypt but i don't know what they spend that on.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:44 am

Maiden wrote:
seremtan wrote:
Nightshade wrote:This will serve to illustrate once more that whenever horrid shit happens in the world, the damaged country looks to the US with their hands out.
Same shit happens here, no one gives a fuck.
not even remotely true. US govt aid is among the lowest in the western world, and the majority of it goes to israel and egypt, two US clients, and not for humanitarian reasons either. the remainder is largely linked to the needs of US businesses re. cutting 'trade barriers' etc.

please note that i said US GOVT. i've no idea how much ordinary americans give to international charities, but it's fair to say that the US is better placed to deal with hurricanes than bangladesh is to deal with massive floods. it's also fair to say that the "same shit happens here, no one gives a fuck" cuts the other way rather more sharply than it does the way you mean.

b.s.

if you are talking the government giving as a percentage of the nations gdp, maybe you are right, but in terms of dollar amounts the u.s. government gives more aid than any nation in the world.
more than most of other western nations put together.....

well yes i wasn't clear on that, i meant as % of GDP (as i just responded to daev de paatay poopah). obviously the US having such a large economy the dollar amount will be greater. then again, if europe's overseas aid were calculated as a euro total it would be even greater than that, but that isn't generally done

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:46 am

Mr.Magnetichead wrote:Did I say I wanted anyone to get hurt? No. Know why? Because I don't.

I hope the PLACE get's fucked open. Natural disasters do wonders for redevelopment.

lol, you work for a US insurance company. they make a killing out of things like this

come to think of it, didn't some guy once before say that these natural disasters were 'good for the economy' because of all the rebuilding work? lol, the broken window fallacy

Post by **Freakaloin** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:49 am

looks like the storm is losing strength...it ain't gonna do shit...

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:51 am

I hope they video tape this event with good cameras.

tnf wrote: btw dave i watched your icon in predator last night. good movie. :icon14:

excellent movie. Watched it alone in the dark at 1am when i was about 13 years old.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:01 am

Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
Foo wrote:Guess?

Are there any published figures?
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs
Cheers. Confirms the highest total but lowest as a percentage.

USA: total $ 2004 = $18,999,000,000; % GNP = 0.16
EU nations listed: total $ 2004 = $42,920,000,000; % GNP (mean) = 0.46

yeah

Post by **Maiden** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:06 am

seremtan wrote:
Maiden wrote:
seremtan wrote: not even remotely true. US govt aid is among the lowest in the western world, and the majority of it goes to israel and egypt, two US clients, and not for humanitarian reasons either. the remainder is largely linked to the needs of US businesses re. cutting 'trade barriers' etc.

please note that i said US GOVT. i've no idea how much ordinary americans give to international charities, but it's fair to say that the US is better placed to deal with hurricanes than bangladesh is to deal with massive floods. it's also fair to say that the "same shit happens here, no one gives a fuck" cuts the other way rather more sharply than it does the way you mean.

b.s.

if you are talking the government giving as a percentage of the nations gdp, maybe you are right, but in terms of dollar amounts the u.s. government gives more aid than any nation in the world.
more than most of other western nations put together.....
well yes i wasn't clear on that, i meant as % of GDP (as i just responded to daev de paatay poopah). obviously the US having such a large economy the dollar amount will be greater. then again, if europe's overseas aid were calculated as a euro total it would be even greater than that, but that isn't generally done

yeah, that is what i thought you were getting at. I don't think that aid vs. gdp is a fair number though. the u.s. has 7 times more people living in poverty than the total population of Norway who is the biggest contributer of aid vs. gdp. there are so many have not people in the u.s that its not really a fair comparison. 35 million in the u.s are down in out. put that in the euro and they would all be dead.

Post by **Maiden** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:16 am

seremtan wrote:
Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs
Cheers. Confirms the highest total but lowest as a percentage.
USA: total $ 2004 = $18,999,000,000; % GNP = 0.16
EU nations listed: total $ 2004 = $42,920,000,000; % GNP (mean) = 0.46

yeah

again, lets take germany alone....

about the same size as montana

over 81 million more people

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:21 am

seremtan wrote:
Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelate ... sandGraphs
Cheers. Confirms the highest total but lowest as a percentage.
USA: total $ 2004 = $18,999,000,000; % GNP = 0.16
EU nations listed: total $ 2004 = $42,920,000,000; % GNP (mean) = 0.46

yeah

Yes, I'm aware of the percentages, but you're also overlooking American military spending. Prior to Bush et al coming along and fucking up the entire planet, American military spending on humanitarian operations was far and away higher than the rest of the world. Now I'm sure that's changed, and the world fucking hates the US thanks to the assholes in Washington.