Audio question (juggernaut?)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:35 pm

Is it possible to make the bass from the drums in a song sort of echo and last longer? Like if I listen to it in my car (no sub) it takes longer to "fall off", on my stereo its not as good but still ok (2 subs), and with my headphones (Sony MDRV-700DJ) connected to my stereo with the same equalizer settings it doesn't echo at all... So is there a way to make it "echo" longer?

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:42 pm

I don't think you mean echo. I think what you are experiencing is the frequency limitation of your speakers. One of the ways speakers are rated is by the range of frequencies that they can reproduce. The only way to "make it echo longer" is to get yourself a nice set of subs that can handle 20 Hz (think that's the right value).

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:42 pm

you're talking about editing something for each environment. your 2channel home setup is probably giving you more of the way the engineer/producer wanted you to hear it.

you'd have to ask one of the mixing nutheads around here if you can just do it for the drum track. btw, is it the entire kit? just the snare? the kick?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:43 pm

bitWISE wrote:I don't think you mean echo. I think what you are experiencing is the frequency limitation of your speakers. You are simply able to hear more of the bass using your subs.

The only way to "make it echo longer" is to get yourself a nice set of subs that can handle 20 Hz (think that's the right value).

resonation in drums don't have that much low end. i'm SURE it's a sub issue, but it's higher up in the frequencies (i'm not going to hazard a guess here).

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:48 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
bitWISE wrote:I don't think you mean echo. I think what you are experiencing is the frequency limitation of your speakers. You are simply able to hear more of the bass using your subs.

The only way to "make it echo longer" is to get yourself a nice set of subs that can handle 20 Hz (think that's the right value).
resonation in drums don't have that much low end. i'm SURE it's a sub issue, but it's higher up in the frequencies (i'm not going to hazard a guess here).

Oh ok. I wasn't quite sure what he meant. Perhaps I need to guess less often.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:50 pm

you were on the right track.

Post by **ScooterG** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:51 pm

Hey, Juggy!

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:52 pm

Hi Scoots

Post by **bitWISE** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:53 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:you were on the right track.

While we're here...

Do you prefer a single, more-powerful sub or multiple, less-powerful subs? I seem to get cleaner bass out of single sub setups in my cars.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:00 am

that's a loaded question only because it totally depends on the vehicle/types of sub(s)/enclosure. i almost always go with 2,3, or more unless there room contraints or you're going stealth.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:02 am

think about it like this:

1 sub trying to do all the work or two or more subs physically working less and with more output and just as clean.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:05 am

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:think about it like this:

1 sub trying to do all the work or two or more subs physically working less and with more output and just as clean.

Makes sense. I barely have room for 2 in the Spyder and I was thinking about just building a propper box to stuff one into the spare tire well.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:08 am

if you can (you might have already been thinking this), pull the spare, fiberglass the bottom, build a "false floor", mount two tens on there covered with flat grilles, then cover the entire floorboard with matching speaker cab carpet (acoustically transparent) and you're ready to roll. you can lay the spare on top of that and it's sano.

Post by **bitWISE** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:36 am

I've heard people say that but I just can't picture how you would fiberglass the bottom...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:30 am

Well, it's not really an issue, I just like it more when the bass lasts longer. I'm sure that the way it plays in my studio monitors is the way its meant to be, but it's not how I'd like it to be. Increasing the low-frequencies in winamp doesn't help much. It might be about the size of the sub or speaker box, since in my car they speakers are in the doors, so it might be the reason I can hear the bass longer or something.

Post by **Dave** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:37 am

bitWISE wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:think about it like this:

1 sub trying to do all the work or two or more subs physically working less and with more output and just as clean.
Makes sense. I barely have room for 2 in the Spyder and I was thinking about just building a propper box to stuff one into the spare tire well.

if room is a problem, you can do what i did.. build a new center console/armrest. I put two 8s in my regular cab dakota pointing downward. It pounds since the volume of the truck is very small compared to your average car

Post by **DRuM** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:27 am

Are you sure you're talking about drums or bass ? If it's drums, you can only be talking about the kick drum where you want a tight' hit you in the chest' sound from, not sustaining. Are you trying to achieve those extremely low and phat sustaining sub bass notes? If so, you won't get really that through headphones since it's to do with the size and depth of the resonating area around the speakers. A sub in a car is bound to have great bass with larger door cavities and a generally small interior to the car for the sound to travel around. You're gonna feel more sonic pressure in a car. In your room I guess it's a bigger space to fill.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:12 am

DRuM wrote:Are you sure you're talking about drums or bass ? If it's drums, you can only be talking about the kick drum where you want a tight' hit you in the chest' sound from, not sustaining. Are you trying to achieve those extremely low and phat sustaining sub bass notes? If so, you won't get really that through headphones since it's to do with the size and depth of the resonating area around the speakers. A sub in a car is bound to have great bass with larger door cavities and a generally small interior to the car for the sound to travel around. You're gonna feel more sonic pressure in a car. In your room I guess it's a bigger space to fill.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:54 am

ffs that's what i said.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:55 am

bitWISE wrote:I've heard people say that but I just can't picture how you would fiberglass the bottom...

i dont' have pics anymore of any fiberglassing i was involved in. google around, there are bound to be some.

Post by **DRuM** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:52 am

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:ffs that's what i said.

Calm down juggy or I'll have to bash you over the head with a fluffy toy bassdrum. :icon33:

Post by **glossy** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:08 am

DRuM wrote:Are you sure you're talking about drums or bass ? If it's drums, you can only be talking about the kick drum where you want a tight' hit you in the chest' sound from, not sustaining. Are you trying to achieve those extremely low and phat sustaining sub bass notes? If so, you won't get really that through headphones since it's to do with the size and depth of the resonating area around the speakers. A sub in a car is bound to have great bass with larger door cavities and a generally small interior to the car for the sound to travel around. You're gonna feel more sonic pressure in a car. In your room I guess it's a bigger space to fill.

exactly, it's all to do with reverberation.