More global warming

Post by **tnf** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:23 pm

I found this headline funny -

"Key claim against global warming evaporates"

"For years, skeptics of global warming have used satellite and weather balloon data to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening. Now, according to three new studies published in the journal Science, it turns out those conclusions based on satellite and weather balloon data were based on faulty analyses."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8917093/

Post by **R00k** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:45 pm

Have you heard about the melting permafrost in the Siberian tundra?

That's scary shit. If it melts, it'll release methane gas and do more damage than LA rush hours.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:19 pm

riddla wrote:Thats what happens when you let University of Alabama researchers have a go at the interpretation of data. The good ol' boy network and southern pride strike again!

http://techcentralstation.com/080805I.html

Is this the same Roy Spencer who produced the faulty analyses?

Post by **Foo** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:37 pm

One thing I don't understand is:

If it's the improvements in equipment which ended in false readings, then wouldn't the readings suddenly change with each alteration to the equipment.

I can't see that these devices would have morphed from poorly shielded in the 70s to well shielded in a smooth transition.

Post by **werldhed** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:12 pm

Foo wrote:One thing I don't understand is:

If it's the improvements in equipment which ended in false readings, then wouldn't the readings suddenly change with each alteration to the equipment.

I can't see that these devices would have morphed from poorly shielded in the 70s to well shielded in a smooth transition.

I took a look around to see if we had a copy of the latest Science so I could take a look at the article, but I don't think it's been delivered yet. Anyway, it sounds to me like until now everyone has been making anaylses based on all of the data from both the old and the new balloons. This is the first time anyone has taken a look at just the new, improved data by itself. That's why there's suddenly a discrepency.

Post by **Whiskey 7** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:10 pm

riddla wrote:p.s. that 'Day After Tomorrow' movie is happening.

Really spooky if you think about it for a moment isn't it

Post by **werldhed** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:19 pm

Whiskey 7 wrote:
riddla wrote:p.s. that 'Day After Tomorrow' movie is happening.
Really spooky if you think about it for a moment isn't it

By an odd coincedence, just yesterday I was reading another issue of Science from last year (13 Aug 04) and in it I spotted an article about the cooling of the oceans due to weakening in thermohaline circulation. Oddly enough, the culprit is the greenhouse effect: increases in freshwater supply to the oceans (via climate warming) will decrease salinity and slow the circulation, which is one of the causes of the cooling of oceans esp. in Northern Europe.
If anyone has access to it, the article is:
B. Hansen, et al., "Already the Day After Tomorrow?" Science 305, p. 953 (2004)

Post by **Hannibal** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:20 pm

sorta OT, but when this topic was talked about in r&r a few years ago, there was a guy nicked out as "SammyUSMC" or something similar. A pretty lengthy debate took place, w/ Sammy on the "global warming is a myth" side of things. Does anybody remember this guy, or who he might have morphed into (assuming he still might be here)?

Post by **Mr.Magnetichead** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:23 pm

We went to Iraq and rightly had a bullet put through his melon head.

Post by **Hannibal** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:28 pm

I thought it might be an earlier incarnation of Nightsquirts, but the posting styles are too dissimilar.

Post by **tnf** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:28 pm

Hannibal wrote:sorta OT, but when this topic was talked about in r&r a few years ago, there was a guy nicked out as "SammyUSMC" or something similar. A pretty lengthy debate took place, w/ Sammy on the "global warming is a myth" side of things. Does anybody remember this guy, or who he might have morphed into (assuming he still might be here)?

Don't remember him, but there are enough clones of him floating around regardless.

Post by **glossy** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:02 am

R00k wrote:Have you heard about the melting permafrost in the Siberian tundra?

That's scary shit. If it melts, it'll release methane gas and do more damage than LA rush hours.

if it starts melting, we should chuck a big balloon (marquee... i don't have the right word for it. cover?) to capture all the released gas, then harness it for our own means (generating electricity, for example). save a little oil, y'know?