Medical question

Post by **Doombrain** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:19 pm

i'd goto the doc's and tell them you fell on six people having a fight.

Post by **TheRealZimbabwe** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:36 pm

Saturn owned this thread! :icon14:

It's nice to learn something and browse the internet at the same time, nice one saturn! :icon25:

Oh, and good luck with the tipped bone sys0p. I agree with Saturn, go to your local doc, get him to look at it. And tell the truth. They'll know anyways.

Post by **tnf** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:18 pm

saturn wrote:
tnf wrote:I think that you should definitely have it looked at. No question about it. The hospital doesn't need to know how it happened, make something up or whatever. But you don't want that thing geting lodged in the joint or something.
oh christ ffs, what MDs don't need are patients who lie about what really happened. Just tell everything that happened, doctors protect the privacy of their patients.

way to go with that advice tnf :icon27:

Calm down saturn. He was concerned about going because of his just getting out of jail, so, rather than see him not go at all because of that, I'd rather see him go and not tell them exactly what happened - if that will mean he goes instead of not going. :icon27: Obviously, giving the full story is the way to go, but if the person absolutely won't do that, it is still better to have them seen rather than not.

Post by **tnf** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:20 pm

saturn wrote:
sliver wrote:your bone marrow has shit in it that isn't supposed to reach your blood stream, iirc.
GTFO

btw, there's no bonemarrow in your jaw. When you crack a large bone like the hipbone, the main concern is bloodloss (inside the body!).

But there bone marrow in the skull, correct?

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:22 pm

sliver was talking about a fat embolus, which is a totally different thing.

far as I can remember, you only really have any significant amounf of marrow in the skull if you have thalassaemia. Otherwise, it's long bones, sternum and pelvis.

Post by **werldhed** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:27 pm

Isn't the jaw a common place for osteomyelitis? Doesn't that mean there has to be marrow in the jaw? I always thought there was...

Post by **tnf** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:27 pm

Geebs wrote:sliver was talking about a fat embolus, which is a totally different thing.

far as I can remember, you only really have any significant amounf of marrow in the skull if you have thalassaemia. Otherwise, it's long bones, sternum and pelvis.

Yea, but I am think there is some in the skull. I remember this because I was surprised when I found out - I had always thought that the only sources of marrow were the bones you mentioned - mainly the femur. Let me look real quick -

HEre - from http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/9430.cfm#21572

1. What is bone marrow?
Bone marrow is a spongy tissue found inside bones. The bone marrow in the breastbone, skull, hips, ribs, and spine contains stem cells

Post by **Don Carlos** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:32 pm

saturn wrote:
tnf wrote:I think that you should definitely have it looked at. No question about it. The hospital doesn't need to know how it happened, make something up or whatever. But you don't want that thing geting lodged in the joint or something.
oh christ ffs, what MDs don't need are patients who lie about what really happened. Just tell everything that happened, doctors protect the privacy of their patients.

way to go with that advice tnf :icon27:

Don Carlos wrote:It could become infected, it depends if its sharpe and it rips the inside of your mouth to bits or summat. The fact your jaw hurts suggests you have bruised the main tendon? Temporomandibular Joint or the mandible i think..
fuckin' hell, stop trying to be cool Don :icon27:

Im tryin 2 help Doctor Saturn
I shall not bother in future

I bid you good day

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:46 pm

sys0p wrote:Just had an emergency appointment, and apparantly it's not bone, it's something else like bone that I've just forgotten the name of as I write this. Apparantly it'll disappear in a couple of weeks. It's a build up of some material or something that has come loose..

And I wasn't worried about having to tell A&E my story, I'm on licence for another month, so any trouble and I'm straight back inside, no questions asked. It wasn't worth the risk.

seeing a doctor is trouble? And how would they know?

Post by **Underpants?** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:52 pm

Don Carlos wrote:
saturn wrote:
tnf wrote:I think that you should definitely have it looked at. No question about it. The hospital doesn't need to know how it happened, make something up or whatever. But you don't want that thing geting lodged in the joint or something.
oh christ ffs, what MDs don't need are patients who lie about what really happened. Just tell everything that happened, doctors protect the privacy of their patients.

way to go with that advice tnf :icon27:

Don Carlos wrote:It could become infected, it depends if its sharpe and it rips the inside of your mouth to bits or summat. The fact your jaw hurts suggests you have bruised the main tendon? Temporomandibular Joint or the mandible i think..
fuckin' hell, stop trying to be cool Don :icon27:
Im tryin 2 help Doctor Saturn
I shall not bother in future

I bid you good day

I personally blame the shorts.

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:58 pm

TheRealZimbabwe wrote:Saturn owned this thread! :icon14:

It's nice to learn something and browse the internet at the same time, nice one saturn! :icon25:

Oh, and good luck with the tipped bone sys0p. I agree with Saturn, go to your local doc, get him to look at it. And tell the truth. They'll know anyways.

I mostly try to steer away from giving medical advice on an internet forum. You don't know the whole picture and it's also different from giving someone a consult on the phone since you lack quick feedback from a person. Well, mostly I say: "Goto your GP" ;p

tnf wrote:
saturn wrote:
tnf wrote:I think that you should definitely have it looked at. No question about it. The hospital doesn't need to know how it happened, make something up or whatever. But you don't want that thing geting lodged in the joint or something.
oh christ ffs, what MDs don't need are patients who lie about what really happened. Just tell everything that happened, doctors protect the privacy of their patients.

way to go with that advice tnf :icon27:

Calm down saturn. He was concerned about going because of his just getting out of jail, so, rather than see him not go at all because of that, I'd rather see him go and not tell them exactly what happened - if that will mean he goes instead of not going. :icon27: Obviously, giving the full story is the way to go, but if the person absolutely won't do that, it is still better to have them seen rather than not.

I was more harsh on you since you're a different poster, a teacher, a science person. And seeing someone giving such advice makes me cringe. Personally I don't care what a patient did if he's injured. He's treated the same way like everyone. In the end it can backfire on you if you withhold (essential) information for your treatment.

I know that, you know that. We cool.

Don Carlos wrote:
Im tryin 2 help Doctor Saturn
I shall not bother in future

I bid you good day

How's that helping? Sorry Don Carlos, but suggesting misinformed knowledge that you picked up on street/tv/grandma that affects people's health is crazy.

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:00 pm

gawd, i'm agitated.

hope you're doing fine sysop. Next time, catch a skullbase fracture, now that's something extraordinary.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:01 pm

It was a suggestion sir
i knew it was 99% gonna be wrong. But the fact is he might have bruised something hence the pain. Sorry for opening my mouth.

sys0p, i am sorry i have in someway damaged you for all eternity. You may sue me at will.

Post by **rgoer** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:03 pm

somebody post some chicks with round asses stat, saturn is about to pop

sys0p that sucks that your jaw hurts, hope it mends

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:03 pm

Geebs wrote:sliver was talking about a fat embolus, which is a totally different thing.

far as I can remember, you only really have any significant amounf of marrow in the skull if you have thalassaemia. Otherwise, it's long bones, sternum and pelvis.

when someone enters the A&E with severe trauma, let's say car-accident, you systemetically assess the bloodloss in every organ system. I still have to do my ATLS course but there are a few compartments that you need to check quickly. Thorax, abdomen (spleen, liver), femur/humerus/pelivs, head......hmm....what's the last compartment.

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:04 pm

Don Carlos wrote:It was a suggestion sir
i knew it was 99% gonna be wrong. But the fact is he might have bruised something hence the pain. Sorry for opening my mouth.

sys0p, i am sorry i have in someway damaged you for all eternity. You may sue me at will.

kiss and make up welshy :>

Post by **Pauly** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:05 pm

Calm down saturn !!!! Woah thats one crazy Doctor

Post by **4days** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:05 pm

saturn wrote:seeing a doctor is trouble? And how would they know?

we have cops standing around hospitals in the uk, especially at weekends - if the ones where sys0p lives are anything like as inquisitive as the ones around here, i can see why he'd want to steer clear of them.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:06 pm

Not until you've done A, B, C

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:07 pm

4days wrote:
saturn wrote:seeing a doctor is trouble? And how would they know?
we have cops standing around hospitals in the uk, especially at weekends - if the ones where sys0p lives are anything like as inquisitive as the ones around here, i can see why he'd want to steer clear of them.

lol, we also have cops visiting the ER at times, but it's not like they're going to harass every patient are they?

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:08 pm

Geebs wrote:Not until you've done A, B, C

fuck you

I'm all about the A/B :>

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:08 pm

Pauly wrote:Calm down saturn !!!! Woah thats one crazy Doctor

man, i'd like to do a rectal toucher on you some day.

Post by **tnf** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:10 pm

saturn wrote:

I was more harsh on you since you're a different poster, a teacher, a science person. And seeing someone giving such advice makes me cringe. Personally I don't care what a patient did if he's injured. He's treated the same way like everyone. In the end it can backfire on you if you withhold (essential) information for your treatment.

I know that, you know that. We cool.

I know that withholding essential info can be bad. But let me suggest one thing to you - you said "Personally, I don't care what the patient did...he's treated the same...like everyone else". That may well be the case. But I think, taking the bigger picture into account, you need to realize that some patients may not ever believe that if they are one mix-up from being out of jail. As a teacher, I see situations similar to this one a lot (not the medical thing - the issue of someone being concerned about what trouble might befall them if they seek out needed help.) There often is no one right answer. There can be answers that are less wrong than others, though. In this case, I think going to the doc and telling them a different version of the events that led to the injury is less wrong than not going at all.

Post by **Geebs** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:22 pm

Seriously, 90% of the time they'll know if you lie, because it's glaringly obvious when the story doesn't hang together. You also stand a good chance of getting the wrong treatment; and if it turns out you were treated wrong as a result of lying to the doctor, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Plus I'm sick of people making shit up and expecting me to be such an utter dickhead that I believe it.

Post by **saturn** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:25 pm

I'm suprised you're still around considering all the shit that's coming to A&E/ER.