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Circumcision 'helps to halt HIV'
HIV cells
Foreskin cells are thought to be more susceptible to HIV
New research suggests circumcision could be effective in preventing the spread of HIV among men.

The study of more than 3,000 men in South Africa was done by the French agency for Aids and Viral Hepatitis.

The data, outlined at a conference in Brazil, shows male circumcision prevented about seven of 10 infections.

UN health agencies have cautioned that more trials are necessary before they will recommend this as a method to protect against Aids.

Previous studies have suggested that men who are circumcised have a lower rate of HIV infection.

It is thought that the cells of the foreskin are much more susceptible to HIV than cells on other parts of the penis, so by removing the foreskin, the likelihood of infection drops.

Further trials are being carried out in Uganda and Kenya to measure the effect of circumcision on other populations.

If similar results are found, then circumcision could be used alongside condoms to prevent the spread of HIV, the BBC's Ania Lichtarowicz reports from the conference in Rio de Janeiro.

But implementing this measure on a large scale will be complicated, our correspondent says.

She says that ensuring safe techniques and changing cultural and social attitudes towards male circumcision will prove challenging.
a valid health reason. what say you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4719409.stm
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couple things:

*very hard to do controlled clinical studies on circumcision. Many figures are gleaned from epidemiological data, with all sorts of confounds. Not saying this one was, but it's important to keep that in mind.

*even if circumcision does protect against HIV to an extent - and I wouldn't be surprised if it does - it does not in anyway justify routine neonatal circumcision.

Circumcision should be a choice made by someone who is informed on all the science around the issue.

I would much rather that at the age of 16 or so, I was told the following:

"You have the option of removing your foreskin. You will lose a massive amount of erogenous tissue, and there may be complications, however it is relatively safe otherwise. You may also be less at risk from contracting HIV, should you choose to engage in irresponsible sexual behaviours".

Now there may or may not be a case for routine neonatal circumcision in countries that suffer AIDS epidemics - but that would be an exception. If removing parts of the female genitilia rendered the female less likely to contract HIV, then one would have to support the same procedure in the female (of course, it would only be excision of labia, not of clitoris, nor would infibulation be necessary).

It's also important to understand that the medical rationale for circumcision have evolved in order to justify a fundamentally harmful procedure.
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Too late. Shadd_ already chewed off his boyfriends foreskin :)
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Cutting your dick off also makes you 100% protected from HIV. But that's not a good idea either is it?
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what the fuck?


Its not going to impact a child's life whether or not you cut off his forskin. How bored do you have to debate about circumcision :lol:
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All the girls I've ever talked to about it are completely turned off by an uncircumcized penis. I think that would have more influence on my decision to do it or not.

A cut foreskin just looks sexier - gets the women feeling RANDY!
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Keep It Real wrote:what the fuck?


Its not going to impact a child's life whether or not you cut off his forskin. How bored do you have to debate about circumcision :lol:
What if I happen to like the foreskin turtle neck my massive cock enjoys?

It's great during winter. :icon33:
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i hope you AND your foreskin die in a horrible car crash[/list]
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i hear dull rusty tools work best. if the tool is too sharp you just don't get the right look.
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R00k wrote:All the girls I've ever talked to about it are completely turned off by an uncircumcized penis. I think that would have more influence on my decision to do it or not.

A cut foreskin just looks sexier - gets the women feeling RANDY!
there are millions of somali and egyptian men and women who feel the exact same way about the intact female genitilia :icon26:
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Keep It Real wrote:what the fuck?


Its not going to impact a child's life whether or not you cut off his forskin. How bored do you have to debate about circumcision :lol:
what about the fact that circumcision removes large amounts of erogenous tissue, not to mention many other aspects of sexual function?
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are they comparable? they seem to me(imo)to be quite different organs.

edit: male/female circumcisions.
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shadd_ wrote:are they comparable? they seem to me(imo)to be quite different organs.
Both get circumsized. Both deal with loss of pleasure as a result.

Seems very comparable to me.
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both have their origins in ancient supertitions, and both have a history of being used to curb female/male sexuality, respectively.

Both are now justified for health reasons, by those who advocate for it.

Both involve the mutilation of infant's genitilia against their will.

(be back in a few hours - gym+class)
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duffman91 wrote:
shadd_ wrote:are they comparable? they seem to me(imo)to be quite different organs.
Both get circumsized. Both deal with loss of pleasure as a result.

Seems very comparable to me.
Not from what I can tell. Cutting off the clit is the equivalent of lobbing off the head of your Johnson, no? Jules, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Transient wrote:
duffman91 wrote:
shadd_ wrote:are they comparable? they seem to me(imo)to be quite different organs.
Both get circumsized. Both deal with loss of pleasure as a result.

Seems very comparable to me.
Not from what I can tell. Cutting off the clit is the equivalent of lobbing off the head of your Johnson, no? Jules, correct me if I'm wrong.
So how exactly is what I said different to what you said?
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Maybe we should just kill anyone that has aids. Problem solved.
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I also love how the most active thread in Q3W is about cock.
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[xeno]Julios wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:what the fuck?


Its not going to impact a child's life whether or not you cut off his forskin. How bored do you have to debate about circumcision :lol:
what about the fact that circumcision removes large amounts of erogenous tissue, not to mention many other aspects of sexual function?
there is nothing less human about sex without floppy forskin. :lol:
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[xeno]Julios wrote:
R00k wrote:All the girls I've ever talked to about it are completely turned off by an uncircumcized penis. I think that would have more influence on my decision to do it or not.

A cut foreskin just looks sexier - gets the women feeling RANDY!
there are millions of somali and egyptian men and women who feel the exact same way about the intact female genitilia :icon26:
Yea, I don't mean to say that the perception justifies the use or anything -- just stating my own selfish reasons for being happy that I'm circumcized. :icon32:
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duffman91 wrote:
Transient wrote:
duffman91 wrote: Both get circumsized. Both deal with loss of pleasure as a result.

Seems very comparable to me.
Not from what I can tell. Cutting off the clit is the equivalent of lobbing off the head of your Johnson, no? Jules, correct me if I'm wrong.
So how exactly is what I said different to what you said?
I suppose it isn't. I guess it's just more painful if it were to be done later in life. :icon26:
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duffman91 wrote:I also love how the most active thread in Q3W is about cock.
actually it's about foreskin.
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duffman91 wrote:I also love how the most active thread in Q3W is about cock.
:icon32:
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[xeno]Julios wrote:both have their origins in ancient supertitions, and both have a history of being used to curb female/male sexuality, respectively.

Both are now justified for health reasons, by those who advocate for it.

Both involve the mutilation of infant's genitilia against their will.

(be back in a few hours - gym+class)
No man who has been circumcised has ever felt differently about himself or his life :lol:

The only people who care about this issue are insecure dudes who are uncut and worry about this inane shit :lol:

By the way I hope no one sees your freakish dick in the changing room :lol:
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Keep It Real wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:both have their origins in ancient supertitions, and both have a history of being used to curb female/male sexuality, respectively.

Both are now justified for health reasons, by those who advocate for it.

Both involve the mutilation of infant's genitilia against their will.

(be back in a few hours - gym+class)
No man who has been circumcised has ever felt differently about himself or his life :lol:

The only people who care about this issue are insecure dudes who are uncut and worry about this inane shit :lol:

By the way I hope no one sees your freakish dick at the gym :lol:
Please, with my turtleneck cock, I only frequent spas. :rolleyes: :lol:

I think it stems down to a cultural issue. The majority of the world is uncircumsized and feels that any "cutting" of the body is mutilating it.

Jews started this trend, and we all know what happenned to them.
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