http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161750,00.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070005
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070007/
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/The_OR ... ttacks.wmv
jesus...someone call the cops!...
foxnews...out of control...
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Freakaloin
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Freakaloin
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more on fox...
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... erweak.mp3
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... wiEDIT.mp3
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... arEDIT.mp3
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... erweak.mp3
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... wiEDIT.mp3
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/uplo ... arEDIT.mp3
a defining attribute of a government is that it has a monopoly on the legitimate exercise of violence...
so you suppose there's more to it? i don't think so. you should be more patriotic.tnf wrote:O'Reilly is a tool. All those guys portray the current terror problem as having 1 simple cause - fundamentalist Islam. Anyone who tries to go beyond that and to look at what our government is doing to add to the problem is immediately branded as 'helping the terrorists.'
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Chupacabra
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Re: foxnews...out of control...
Freakaloin wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161750,00.html
when what they should do is send them to Fort Bragg to get a real education in terrorism and an extended 'holiday' in Central AmericaOr another way to look at it is the French are already up to their eyeballs in terrorists. The French hide them in miserable slums, out of sight of the rich people in Paris.
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BiLL:
The anti-American press both here and in Europe is actually helping the terrorists by diminishing their threat. "Talking Points" urges you to begin holding people accountable for their position on the terror war. Walk away from media that excuses or sanitizes these brutal acts.
USA is not the problem in this world. The terrorists are. And if you don't agree with that, you are helping killers like al Zarqawi.
That is what makes him so effective with Joe and Jane American, unfortunately. Bill will throw some truth in the bullshit to make it "sound" reasonable. Like this:rep:
O'Lielly is the most moderate person there.
Or other such statements were Bill knows that the Bush Administration does the same shit or worse. Supremely hypocritical! :icon27:Failed leaders like Chirac (search) in France and Schroeder (search) in Germany also pound home the anti-American theme to divert attention away from their own disastrous administrations.
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No - but it will question all of your answers.[/size]
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Freakaloin
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Clearly you don't watch "The Factor". O'Rielly doesn't point to "fundamental Islam" he points to "extremist" Islamic Idiots. Do those who can't think for themselves a favor and post the correct information. That's what's wrong with Lib's. They don't gather the facts but spew forth re-gurgitated information that someone has prepared for them.tnf wrote:Fai and balanced... :lol:
O'Reilly is a tool. All those guys portray the current terror problem as having 1 simple cause - fundamentalist Islam. Anyone who tries to go beyond that and to look at what our government is doing to add to the problem is immediately branded as 'helping the terrorists.'
PS. If you think O'Rielly includes fundamental Islamics in his reports, tell me what episode and I'll be happy to host the audio file. Else, please don't lead Liberal retards down the wrong path.
To be fair, I dont have a problem with Britt Hume. John Gibson is a cunt and Kilmeade is a whiny retard who should stick do doing sports. He's not intelligent enough to comment on important things. Every time I watch that morning show, which is about once a month, maybe, he makes some dumb ass comment that seems to make the other two hosts get annoyed, but they dont say anything because they're on the 'same side'.
Clearly you...well...nevermind, it isn't nice.RiffRaff wrote: Clearly you don't watch "The Factor". O'Rielly doesn't point to "fundamental Islam" he points to "extremist" Islamic Idiots. Do those who can't think for themselves a favor and post the correct information. That's what's wrong with Lib's. They don't gather the facts but spew forth re-gurgitated information that someone has prepared for them.
PS. If you think O'Rielly includes fundamental Islamics in his reports, tell me what episode and I'll be happy to host the audio file. Else, please don't lead Liberal retards down the wrong path.
So, O'Reilly doesn't point to fundamentalist Islam as part of the problem...interesting...maybe you can host his article:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/bill ... 0426.shtml
edit: to make this even more clear for those conservative types like RiffRaff who need things spelled out for them - The following is Bill O'Reilly writing about how "fundamentalist Islam" is the problem behind everything. And RiffRaff told me I was full of shit for claiming that O'Reilly points to fundamentalist Islam as the problem.
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But the adamancy and irrationality of fundamentalist Islam is so intimidating that the majority of clear-thinking Muslims are fearful of speaking out. Thus, the fundamentalists can and have imposed a system of government that brutalizes people in the name of religion. The Taliban did this, and so did the mullahs of Iran.
The United States and Britain cannot allow this to happen in Iraq. Fundamentalist Islam is the enemy of human rights. It is a danger to the world and the primary reason the USA was attacked on 9-11. Even in the politically correct world in which we live, all decent people should be outraged that governments exist where women are treated as dogs and people of other faiths are considered infidels to be killed with impunity.
Where is the worldwide outcry against fundamentalist Islam? Why is this violent culture deemed an acceptable form of behavior? Most Muslims are not fundamentalists but are being demonized because of this fanatical sect. That is unfair and unjust; it would be like saying David Koresh is the poster boy for Christianity. But moderate Muslims must lead the charge against the fanatics because non-Muslims are far too frightened to do so.
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Fundamentalist Islam is a worldwide threat that cannot be reasoned with. Freedom of religion does not include the imposition of brutal methods to regulate a barbaric code of conduct. America did indeed free the Iraqi people from terror, but another kind of terror is lined up to step right in. It had better be dealt with quickly.
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Yea, no mention of it there... :lol:
Others on the forum will be able to answer this - I haven't researched it, but I'd be real interested to know how many attacks in Iraq are about Islamic extremism as opposed to other things entirely..I really don't know..
In fairness, when I said fundamentalist Islam, I was referring to this extreme, violent, version. Probably not the best choice of words, because there are undoubtedly some fundamentalist Muslims who decry this type of violence. The entire thing stems from my reaction to this statement - made by O'Reilly in his Talking Points (I love how he has everything he says written on the screen right next to his melon...)
"USA is not the problem in this world. The terrorists are. And if you don't agree with that, you are helping killers..."
Here he exemplifies his binary thinking. Terrorists are a HUGE problem, but so are some of the actions of our administration, and administrations of years past. For every complete wackjob fundamentalist that does really believe you have to kill all the infidels who don't believe their virulent strain of Islam, there are going to be others who are drawn into the fold for other reasons - frustration with the US and its past blind support of Israeli behavior, the debacle that is the Iraq war...etc.
O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Gibson, and the like frequently take complicated issues and break them down into small, digestible bits (to the point where the true intricacies of the issue have been lost) for their audience in a manner that lets them keep spewing their "They ONLY KILL US BECAUSE THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM" crap. (I've heard Hannity say that on his radio program many times) Yea, the 19 year olds are just lining up to die because they hate the fact that our women don't cover themselves up...
I'm not saying that there isn't a huge problem with the 'hijacking' of the Muslim faith by radical groups who engage in these types of attacks. I'm saying that I rarely hear anything but divisive messages from the conservatives that you hear on Fox (Coulter, Hannity, etc.)
I mean hell, let's look at some Coulter gems:
""We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
""Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"
Unless we get off our high and mighty horse, and take a long, introspective look at what conditions we are part of creating over there..conditions that lead to the hopelessness that gives rise to this type of extremism (i.e. having your house bulldozed by an Israeli bulldozer) we aren't going to get any closer to a REAL solution to the problem. I've seen O'Reilly make what appear to be some legitimate calls to 'moderate Muslims' (his words) to lead the charge against the extremism. But he is still missing a key part of the problem - that the United States has a role to play in this process as well - a role that involves chaning some of our OWN behaviors, among other things.
Now, us liberal retards need to get back to things like maintaining the separation of church and state - trying to keep conservatives from injecting faith into science down south...
By the way, isn't it a good thing that the military is hitting all its recruiting goals lately? Good thing we have such an inspiring figure at the helm, eh?
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Yea, Hume seems to be the most 'fair and balanced' of the group. I haven't seen him put out the purely inflammatory shit that Gibson does. O'Reilly seems to paint himself as the infallible measuring stick by which everyone's decisions and actions should be judged.Dave wrote:To be fair, I dont have a problem with Britt Hume. John Gibson is a cunt and Kilmeade is a whiny retard who should stick do doing sports. He's not intelligent enough to comment on important things. Every time I watch that morning show, which is about once a month, maybe, he makes some dumb ass comment that seems to make the other two hosts get annoyed, but they dont say anything because they're on the 'same side'.
Remember - THE USA IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WORLD. NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. TO SAY OTHERWISE HELPS THE KILLERS!!
Who posted that link about how conservatives have more in common with fundamentalist theocratic thinking (like the Taliban) than the liberals do? I remember that some of those were kind of exaggerations in how they were worded, but there were some underlying truths...anyone still have that?
I prefer to label myself a patriot, if I have to label myself.
I was just finishing up some reading and saw a termite or some fucking thing running across the floor. I tried to bludgeon it with a broom, but i swept it into a spider web under the table. The spider swoops down and beats the crap out of the bug. That was a 5 great minutes of entertainment.
I was just finishing up some reading and saw a termite or some fucking thing running across the floor. I tried to bludgeon it with a broom, but i swept it into a spider web under the table. The spider swoops down and beats the crap out of the bug. That was a 5 great minutes of entertainment.
Brit Hume always brings the funny:Dave wrote:Plus Brit Hume....
(July 7, 2005)
SHEPARD SMITH: Some of the things you might expect to happen, for instance, a drop in the stock market and some degree of uncertainty across this country — none of that really seen today, and I wonder if the timing of it — that it happened in the middle of the night and we were able to get a sense of the grander scheme of things — wasn't helpful in all this.
BRIT HUME: Well, maybe. The other thing is, of course, people have — you know, the market was down. It was down yesterday, and you know, you may have had some bargain-hunting going on. I mean, my first thought when I heard — just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, "Hmmm, time to buy."