Ha I love it

[[xeno]Julios]

Let's flip it around, for the sake of the argument, and say it was a male driver and a female cop. Male driver is getting aggressive and won't put down the cell phone. Should the female cop be 'nice' and just figure out something else, other than using her taser, to solve
the problem. Should she wait for him to get out, thereby putting the HIM in charge of the situation instead of herself?

I am pretty sure if the situation were reversed sexually, all of you anti-cop types would be singing a different tune.

if the situation were reversed sexually, then I would consider the incident less abhorrent.

Women aren't as physically dominant as men are, on average. The power dynamic is different.

Plus - there were TWO fuckin armed cops there and ONE woman alone in her car.

More on this sort of issue here:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/st ... 192&page=1

[AmIdYfReAk]

she had it commin.

[Zimbo]

:lol: :lol:

[AmIdYfReAk]

Let's flip it around, for the sake of the argument, and say it was a male driver and a female cop. Male driver is getting aggressive and won't put down the cell phone. Should the female cop be 'nice' and just figure out something else, other than using her taser, to solve
the problem. Should she wait for him to get out, thereby putting the HIM in charge of the situation instead of herself?

I am pretty sure if the situation were reversed sexually, all of you anti-cop types would be singing a different tune.

if the situation were reversed sexually, then I would consider the incident less abhorrent.

Women aren't as physically dominant as men are, on average. The power dynamic is different.

Plus - there were TWO fuckin armed cops there and ONE woman alone in her car.

More on this sort of issue here:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/st ... 192&page=1

this is (kinda) true.. women are trying to claim as equil as men in all respects, but they still hide behind this when the shit hits the fan, its irratating really..

anyway, she was asked to put out her smoke, she did, wile picking up her cell phone to call mike/mark to say that she is being arrested and the cop has her at gunpoint and is going to kill her.
she was asked 5 times to put the cell down, about 4 more times that he was going to "tase" her for not co-operating.

like fucking christ, you can blow off people wile you are on the phone, you are a cunt if you do so. but if you do it to a cop that was probally pulling her over to give her a simple fucking ticket, then he is forced to use as much force is needed, he allready tryed to TAKE the cell phone off of her with out force, she freaked out and slaped his hand away, this is more then enough to Warn her with the taser, then she continues to fuck around,

So all in all, this is not an issue of Excessive force, this is an issue of fucking Stupid people that think they can do what ever they want around who every they want. she got what she deserved, and she will probally sit in the jailcell whining about it saying that they are racist etc ( the usuall BULL SHIT ) for the night, and act all high and mighty when she is leaving.

[werldhed]

Let's flip it around, for the sake of the argument, and say it was a male driver and a female cop. Male driver is getting aggressive and won't put down the cell phone. Should the female cop be 'nice' and just figure out something else, other than using her taser, to solve
the problem. Should she wait for him to get out, thereby putting the HIM in charge of the situation instead of herself?

I am pretty sure if the situation were reversed sexually, all of you anti-cop types would be singing a different tune.

if the situation were reversed sexually, then I would consider the incident less abhorrent.

Women aren't as physically dominant as men are, on average. The power dynamic is different.

Plus - there were TWO fuckin armed cops there and ONE woman alone in her car.

More on this sort of issue here:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/st ... 192&page=1

this is (kinda) true.. women are trying to claim as equil as men in all respects, but they still hide behind this when the shit hits the fan, its irratating really..

anyway, she was asked to put out her smoke, she did, wile picking up her cell phone to call mike/mark to say that she is being arrested and the cop has her at gunpoint and is going to kill her.
she was asked 5 times to put the cell down, about 4 more times that he was going to "tase" her for not co-operating.

like fucking christ, you can blow off people wile you are on the phone, you are a cunt if you do so. but if you do it to a cop that was probally pulling her over to give her a simple fucking ticket, then he is forced to use as much force is needed, he allready tryed to TAKE the cell phone off of her with out force, she freaked out and slaped his hand away, this is more then enough to Warn her with the taser, then she continues to fuck around,

So all in all, this is not an issue of Excessive force, this is an issue of fucking Stupid people that think they can do what ever they want around who every they want. she got what she deserved, and she will probally sit in the jailcell whining about it saying that they are racist etc ( the usuall BULL SHIT ) for the night, and act all high and mighty when she is leaving.

No, this is about excessive force. Giving someone warning does not excuse disabling them. That's why people are charged with disobeying an officer or resisting arrest. Officers are trained not to resort to using the tazer unless they have a reason to believe they're in danger. You'll notice that he had the stungun up prior to when she slapped him, suggesting he was ready to stun her whether she hit him or not. After she hit him, that would be reason to arrest her for assault, but there is no reason for him to be aiming the gun at her in the first place. He was only using it to intimidate her. It's like if I littered and a cop told me to pick it up but I refused. He would have no reason to pull out his tazer and demand that I obey.

[+JuggerNaut+]

Would you have believed a cop if he told you he'd tazer you for not putting down a phone? I wouldn't have taken that seriously either.

you wouldn't take a cop seriously? i thought you had common sense, i can see i was wrong.

[Ryoki]

(because you've never seen an authority figure with so little authority as a dutch cop)

:icon14:

[+JuggerNaut+]

(because you've never seen an authority figure with so little authority as a dutch cop)

:icon14:

that's fine and dandy where you live.

[Ryoki]

Perhaps... i don't know.

[Dek]

..dekard pokes in again


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/ ... ideo1.html

All the video from the time she passes him speeding to the shock, to the arrest, also with narrative.

[Cool Blue]

This thread really needs a poll;


A) It was the Man! She's innocent! Where's Rodney?!!! Why can't we all just get along?

B) He asked. He told. She ignored. But it was still a bit too much.

C) He asked. He told. She ignored. He tased. Bitch got what was comin' to her.

D) FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! YES! I AM CORNHOLIO!

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

She was driving her car 51 in a 35 on a suspended licence. They don't just let you drive your car away with a fine for that. They take your car, because if your licence is gone and you don't drive period, and you are under arrest. She knew she was gonna be put away and she was even giving who ever she called some directions to where she was being arrested at. That is a huge danger to the cops in drive-by areas.

Your licence doesn't just get suspended for any ole minor reason either. It normally gets taken away for DUI, or to many moving violations that show you are a risk to others on the road.

The only thing excessive to me here was her total unwillingness to cooperate, and excessively puting other people on the road at risk.

[[xeno]Julios]

still - these scenarios happened before the invention of the taser gun.

There were ways of dealing with the situation without tasers.

Sure the risk of injury to police goes up, but that's part of the job.


If it were three guys in the car, and 2 cops - sure go ahead and taser them.

It was, however,

ONE FUCKING WOMAN

TWO COPS.

If they don't know how to physically stop her from using a cellphone without tasers, then there's a problem.

Step1: remove keys from ignition

Step 2: force the cellphone away from her

Step 3: grab one arm each, until she calms down

Step 4: arrest her


or something like that.

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

The whole tazzering thing isn't about her being on the phone really. It's about her being under arrest for driving with a suspended licence. That is a big offence, and it's not taken lightly by the cops or most other people on the road these days. Like I said in my last post, you don't drive away from being pulled over on a suspended. You go strait to booking.

...and like I said before also, I find it unfair and excessive that she would continue driving on a suspended.

[Cool Blue]

still - these scenarios happened before the invention of the taser gun.

There were ways of dealing with the situation without tasers.

Sure the risk of injury to police goes up, but that's part of the job.


If it were three guys in the car, and 2 cops - sure go ahead and taser them.

It was, however,

ONE FUCKING WOMAN

TWO COPS.

If they don't know how to physically stop her from using a cellphone without tasers, then there's a problem.

Step1: remove keys from ignition

Step 2: force the cellphone away from her

Step 3: grab one arm each, until she calms down

Step 4: arrest her


or something like that.

She had tactical advantage. THe officers would have been fools to try to engage her while she was still inside the vehicle. Silly as that sounds, anybody with experience in security and/or law enforcement and subdueing people would back me up on this.

He could have tried reasoning with her more in my opinion before resorting to such tactics. Sure he barked orders, but did he try addressing her like a person? Did he try to calmly explain the situation, what was about to happen and why? The footage doesn't really show, so it's subjective. My point is only that she had options she chose not to exercise, and so did the officer. That whole situation could have went down completely differently had they both acted differently.

[[xeno]Julios]

She had tactical advantage. THe officers would have been fools to try to engage her while she was still inside the vehicle. Silly as that sounds, anybody with experience in security and/or law enforcement and subdueing people would back me up on this.

so what would "proper procedure" be if tasers didn't exist? Shoot her?

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

She had tactical advantage. THe officers would have been fools to try to engage her while she was still inside the vehicle. Silly as that sounds, anybody with experience in security and/or law enforcement and subdueing people would back me up on this.

so what would "proper procedure" be if tasers didn't exist? Shoot her?

Mace

[werldhed]

The whole tazzering thing isn't about her being on the phone really. It's about her being under arrest for driving with a suspended licence. That is a big offence, and it's not taken lightly by the cops or most other people on the road these days. Like I said in my last post, you don't drive away from being pulled over on a suspended. You go strait to booking.

...and like I said before also, I find it unfair and excessive that she would continue driving on a suspended.

So if I were to make a verbal threat against the president -- a felony, I believe -- that would be justification for me to be tasered? Tasers are meant to be an alternative to lethal force when such actions are neccessary. Would you suggest that the officers would be justified in shooting her?

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

The whole tazzering thing isn't about her being on the phone really. It's about her being under arrest for driving with a suspended licence. That is a big offence, and it's not taken lightly by the cops or most other people on the road these days. Like I said in my last post, you don't drive away from being pulled over on a suspended. You go strait to booking.

...and like I said before also, I find it unfair and excessive that she would continue driving on a suspended.

So if I were to make a verbal threat against the president -- a felony, I believe -- that would be justification for me to be tasered? Tasers are meant to be an alternative to lethal force when such actions are neccessary. Would you suggest that the officers would be justified in shooting her?

I really hate when people take things into these stupid hypothetical situations that have little to no bearing on what happened.

If you are under arrest for what ever reason, and you take a swing at a cop and resist arrest then yes it's tazzer time.

[werldhed]

The whole tazzering thing isn't about her being on the phone really. It's about her being under arrest for driving with a suspended licence. That is a big offence, and it's not taken lightly by the cops or most other people on the road these days. Like I said in my last post, you don't drive away from being pulled over on a suspended. You go strait to booking.

...and like I said before also, I find it unfair and excessive that she would continue driving on a suspended.

So if I were to make a verbal threat against the president -- a felony, I believe -- that would be justification for me to be tasered? Tasers are meant to be an alternative to lethal force when such actions are neccessary. Would you suggest that the officers would be justified in shooting her?

I really hate when people take things into these stupid hypothetical situations that have little to no bearing on what happened.

If you are under arrest for what ever reason, and you take a swing at a cop and resist arrest then yes it's tazzer time.

Little or no bearing? Hmmm...in both situations -- driving with a suspended license and making a verbal threat to someone else -- there is no threat to the officer. Since you were justifying the use of the taser in driving without a license, why wouldn't it apply to a verbal threat?

And taking a swing at an officer is not justification for use of a taser. They should know how to handle the situation without relying on it. Also, he pulled the taser when she hit him. She didn't hit him again when he shot her -- she just refused to drop the phone. So actually, she didn't get shocked because she slapped him.

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

Little or no bearing? Hmmm...in both situations -- driving with a suspended license and making a verbal threat to someone else -- there is no threat to the officer. Since you were justifying the use of the taser in driving without a license, why wouldn't it apply to a verbal threat?

A verbal threat IS a huge difference from driving on a suspended here. A verbal threat doesn't put other motorists and pedestrians at risk.

[werldhed]

Little or no bearing? Hmmm...in both situations -- driving with a suspended license and making a verbal threat to someone else -- there is no threat to the officer. Since you were justifying the use of the taser in driving without a license, why wouldn't it apply to a verbal threat?

A verbal threat IS a huge difference from driving on a suspended here. A verbal threat doesn't put other motorists and pedestrians at risk.

So is an intoxicated motorist, but I wouldn't expect an officer to taser them just because they're drunk.

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

Little or no bearing? Hmmm...in both situations -- driving with a suspended license and making a verbal threat to someone else -- there is no threat to the officer. Since you were justifying the use of the taser in driving without a license, why wouldn't it apply to a verbal threat?

A verbal threat IS a huge difference from driving on a suspended here. A verbal threat doesn't put other motorists and pedestrians at risk.

So is an intoxicated motorist, but I wouldn't expect an officer to taser them just because they're drunk.

I would if they resisted arrest.

[werldhed]

I would if they resisted arrest.

Ah... now the plot thickens. First, I'll just have to say that this is a point on which we'll just have to disagree; I'd justify use of a taser only if there is a severe threat to the officer or if the the officer is unable to subdue them by ordinary means.

That point is moot in the case of this lady, though, because she was never arrested. He asked her to put out her cigarette, step out of the car, and put down the phone. That's not resisting arrest.

[Pooinyourmouth_needmerge]

Refusing to comply with an officer of the law is resisting arrest.