Wikileaks 'reveals CIA hacking tools'

[losCHUNK]

Well it's obvious he came to that conclusion based on Snowden, where is he again ?, I heard he was on holiday somewhere ?

[dubz]

whats your point blabber boy

[losCHUNK]

Is he in the Bahamas ?

[shaft]

Great article by Glenn Greenwald. The guy who helped Snowden get to Russia and has coincidentally gone to bat for the Russians ever since they were accused of tampering with our elections.

edit: sorry, I thought that article was the one where Greenwald claims the CIA and the FBI were in on the election hacking. Your article is more relevant to the topic but I cant help but read it with my tinfoil hat on.

[dubz]

snowden just talked about the same thing, every single communication gets recorded and they can easily look at the contents without a warrant

he explains it all in the first 10min

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[shaft]

I didn't watch that, but I guess I don't understand the big news here? Its the nature of surveilling in the digital age. Eventually you have to put your trust in someone or trust in oversight of an institution. I bet certain employees at google can access your gmail inbox and your companies IT guy can read your email too. The point is the cat is out of the bag and there is no going back, ever. Dismantle the NSA and CIA? Who would you like to see take Americas place in the world? I'm open for suggestions.

[losCHUNK]

Pretty much that ^

When I was working in retail I could find a lot about someone just by searching the system, when I worked for a bank I could pretty much find all your financial information - could've quite easily robbed your ass. Of course there was an invasion of privacy and highly illegal if I did so without reason but who's gonna check unless I did something serious ?.

We know the tools at their disposal, it'd be more surprising if they didn't have access to your personal shit or had access to your calls, ask any drug dealer. It's the world we live in, it's information that I required to perform my job however it was also open to abuse, just like most systems. Can you name any 1 instance where this has harmed an individual ?, as the very mention of it would be illegal due to its approach.

[Eraser]

While I mostly agree with what you and shaft are saying, one difference is that if you as an employee of a company look up people's personal details without reason for doing so, there's a good chance you're disciplined if people find out.

There's a good chance CIA/NSA are snooping into people's private affairs if they have a slight suspicion something may be up. This snooping around may not even be warranted or legal, but it's highly unlikely anyone is being disciplined for that. This opens the gate for unrestricted access to people's private data.

[shaft]

If it's the cia/nsa it must be illegal everything goes no discipline they're above law.
Don't tell them you found out about Tredstone or Black Briar they might have to send in the black helicopters or activate an agent.

[losCHUNK]

While I mostly agree with what you and shaft are saying, one difference is that if you as an employee of a company look up people's personal details without reason for doing so, there's a good chance you're disciplined if people find out.

There's a good chance CIA/NSA are snooping into people's private affairs if they have a slight suspicion something may be up. This snooping around may not even be warranted or legal, but it's highly unlikely anyone is being disciplined for that. This opens the gate for unrestricted access to people's private data.

*if they find out, tis why I asked for a specific occasion where this has harmed an individual as this would have resulted in reprisal. There was certain things I could do without getting found out, I did stuff illegal by complete accident and even though there was things I couldn't do (like rob your ass) without getting found out there was plenty of other things I could have done without a paper trail, like sell your personal info due to having unrestricted access to peoples private data. This is industry wide too, hospitals, councils, welfare offices, cable companies, bailiffs, tax offices etc etc being maintained by average people.

Like Shaft said, your trust with this info needs to be placed in someone, it's not perfect but there are safeguards in place to ensure this information isn't used to harm someone - like the legality of using the obtained information. It is what it is and people seem quite happy to put their trust in me, my superiors and my companies but not in anyone who works for government security agencies