Went to a Church in AprilEraser wrote:Is that a by-the-way-just-curious question or are you trying to make a point? If the latter, replace "mosque" with church and re-evaluate the question.losCHUNK wrote: When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.
1) They are speaking for a dead man. Did he actually say anything of the like.losCHUNK wrote:
It's kinda hard when they're claiming responsibility to be fair.
The guy was obviously fucked up though, when I read the report about him having Psychosis that would probaly be the bigger factor in all this. But I think a better question would be, do we think he would've killed IF he has been in contact / radicalised by someone like IS ?
1:HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:1) They are speaking for a dead man. Did he actually say anything of the like.losCHUNK wrote:
It's kinda hard when they're claiming responsibility to be fair.
The guy was obviously fucked up though, when I read the report about him having Psychosis that would probaly be the bigger factor in all this. But I think a better question would be, do we think he would've killed IF he has been in contact / radicalised by someone like IS ?
2) To answer your better question I think clearly the answer is yes. (assuming you meant to say hadn't)
2:losCHUNK wrote:Aye, I only sit on the side of caution because there isn't much to say this attack was religiously motivated. I havn't seen anything that said he was apart of any extremist groups or protests ?. I think the only connection to ISIS is ISIS themselves and I seen his wife mentioned he started visiting a mosque in April.
He was Tunisian? Do you know the first thing about Tunisia?HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?
I just think there's a problem with pointing to religion when you have people like Omar Mateen specifically referencing wars of aggression (invasion of Afghanistan) which let's face it are a legitimate grievance even though i believe more violence isn't a solution.losCHUNK wrote: 1:
2:losCHUNK wrote:Aye, I only sit on the side of caution because there isn't much to say this attack was religiously motivated. I havn't seen anything that said he was apart of any extremist groups or protests ?. I think the only connection to ISIS is ISIS themselves and I seen his wife mentioned he started visiting a mosque in April.
I did, but he could've just as easily sought help.
As if all people who identify with a religion are strict (orthodox) adherents. By all accounts the guy was far from religious but he may still have identified with Islam. Hardly makes this a religious thing. Details are important.Foo wrote:He was Tunisian? Do you know the first thing about Tunisia?HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?
To agree he was Tunisian *but not religious* suggests only 2 things:
* He falls into a narrow 2% (noooope)
* He was coerced into joining the nonsecular majority of that country
I don't know what it begins to suggest if the second option is what you're proposing.
Well what does that guy want ?, only what I'm seeing during withdrawals is an increasingly destabalised country.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: I just think there's a problem with pointing to religion when you have people like Omar Mateen specifically referencing wars of aggression (invasion of Afghanistan) which let's face it are a legitimate grievance even though i believe more violence isn't a solution.
wat?losCHUNK wrote:It's how everyone finds their religion.
I'm an atheist but don't agree with this.losCHUNK wrote:Religion is a tool for hidden motives, same for everyone.
This is a blanket description which seeks to describe something which is very diverse. I think you're way off here.losCHUNK wrote:Religion targets someone and caters its beliefs to your views, it's what they mean by finding your religion imo, it aligns with your views.
It's how Scientology fleece your for money n all, ya'll expecting front seats with God or forever be graced with fortune. Still a motive.
Well how about I assert that many (most) religions will in fact not cater to one's currently held beliefs. That's what I was disagreeing with.losCHUNK wrote:OK give me an example of a religion that doesn't offer a reward ?
...No one is really saying it is, just that it could be or even likely. Strange that you are so quick to dismiss it though, seeing as it was a pre planned attack that likely had accompliances with people being interviewed in the following investigation saying he had become radicalised very quickly (confirmed by interior ministers) with his uncle even saying that an Albanian man put him in contact with IS, they've (interior ministers) said his internet records show that he was searching for IS propaganda n all and showed support for them. Coupled with the shit I've already said about phone contacts, mental health, background and Mosques along with what you've mentioned about about IS claiming responsibility. It's still early days yet.scared? wrote:The guy driving the truck was openly bisexual and non religious. So why is this supposed to be Islamic terrorism?... Oh cuz the west and fake ISIS says so... Got it...
...scared? wrote:Prolly just a woman driver...
