Another attack in France

[Foo]

there was a massive suicide bombing in baghdad last week, killed about 250 ramadan shopping shias i think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2016 ... d_bombings

Related?

[losCHUNK]

Yep.

[losCHUNK]

I think the point is to target 'nuts'.

[losCHUNK]

Last I heard it was a rental truck due back the day before and was rented specifically for this attack ?.

He was stopped by the police and he told them he was carrying ice cream to the event ?, like getting waved down an access road in town.

But not saying he was 'trained' by IS directly, but it looks like he may have been influenced / radicalised by their message and those who preach it. Like the Lee Rigby killers. The investigation should establish the motive though.

[Tsakali]

It's a combination of the 2. This guy portraits exactly what is wrong with religion, outlines the dark side of religion. Troubled indivisuals, finding an excuse through religion to channel their anger through, with a cleary defined enemy and purpose.

Everyone interprets their religion the way they want. They use it in the way that works for them, and gives meaning to their life. Most people use it to a mostly harmless effect, but some times you get what happened in nice.

Sure it's not religions fault, but when u have a troubled individual that uses religion to give purpose to their agenda u end up with shit like this.

Not only do they not feel remorse of a feeling that they might be wrong doing, it actually validates and vindicates their actions. Giving them that extra added push they need to actually go through with it.

[losCHUNK]

Aye, I only sit on the side of caution because there isn't much to say this attack was religiously motivated. I havn't seen anything that said he was apart of any extremist groups or protests ?. I think the only connection to ISIS is ISIS themselves and I seen his wife mentioned he started visiting a mosque in April.

But the way he is portrayed atm, a troubled individual struggling with depression etc - one report has his previous doctor diagnosing him with psychosis, it does look like he might have been the victim of extremism. I think when you look at the wider picture too, the guy was from Tunisia and lived in France, both of which are suffering from terror attacks. His location in France was apparently host to some notorious terrorist fanatics n all with his phone records showing he had been in contact with them (though this could have been coincidence). The attack also looks planned, he also had weapons but it's also what the media is telling us with an investigation ongoing.

But yea, the point of this ISIS shit is a propaganda campaign so people like the Woolwich murderers and probably this guy can buy into their vision, the same way that Scientology fleece people for money. It's all a sales pitch to take advantage of someone.

[scared?]

If the west just stayed out of the middle east, there would be no terrorism in the west... price u pay when u swing ur dick all over the world...

[losCHUNK]

If the west just stayed out of the middle east, there would be no terrorism in the west... price u pay when u swing ur dick all over the world...

With or without Iraq terrorism would've carried on.

You'd literally have to go back to before the Ottoman empire to fix this shit. I mean the problems 'they' have are with governments in their region.

[scared?]

Not really... Islamic terrorism in the west is purely political and caused by the west interfering...

[Eraser]

Well, IS was quick to claim responsibility for this attack, but I'm getting the impression they go "yep, that's us" with any disaster with a high bodycount these days.

[losCHUNK]

Not really... Islamic terrorism in the west is purely political and caused by the west interfering...

It's the same as when Ireland were kicking off, the minority is being marginalised by the majority and vice versa ?. So instead of campaigning their ideas they find someone to bash and blow them up. The IRA had fucktards from all over the globe funding their fight against the public thanks to their propaganda campaign.

The problem is n all you can look at places like Libya, it's just one big melting pot of views. It's not hard to see how mis informed hatred is spread.

[Foo]

Yep.

Ah. What's the connection?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

If the west just stayed out of the middle east, there would be no terrorism in the west... price u pay when u swing ur dick all over the world...

With or without Iraq terrorism would've carried on.

You'd literally have to go back to before the Ottoman empire to fix this shit. I mean the problems 'they' have are with governments in their region.

I strongly disagree with this. Zooming in on the Balfour Declaration would probably be more useful.

The very aggressive and invasive policies of the West in the Middle East during the last century could be rightly cited as the firm root of the current problems imo.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Also, looks like this guy wasn't religious. He may very well have found the 'cause' of ISIS to be a good one to attach his anger to, seeking to attach 'reason' to his violence. <= This is the thinking of psychologists who study killers.

He might not have been religious but might still have had sympathy in ISIS' political cause. (America's imperialism in that region)

[Foo]

Quality gymnastics brah.

On a serious note you're not wrong, I agree that demonizing Islam is not the answer. There are Muslims, many out there a majority even, that are not violent. They want to live their lives and let others live their lives however they wish so long as they don't interfere with others. This is to be applauded.

What's not working is the intersection of the Muslim faith and migration from war-torn countries. Double-fuckup where that migration takes place to nations that have been backing said war efforts. This shouldn't be allowed to occur and it's leading to preventable deaths.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?

[losCHUNK]

With or without Iraq terrorism would've carried on.

You'd literally have to go back to before the Ottoman empire to fix this shit. I mean the problems 'they' have are with governments in their region.

I strongly disagree with this. Zooming in on the Balfour Declaration would probably be more useful.

The very aggressive and invasive policies of the West in the Middle East during the last century could be rightly cited as the firm root of the current problems imo.

As far as I am aware that declaration was in response to Jewish persecution and were looking for representation, Arabs were also falsely promised independence that they got in exactly the same way the Jews did, by fighting the British.

But then there was uprisings in the Ottoman long before that, uprisings or 'terrorist' groups fought with the British in WWI and is what helped bring them down, Sunni, Shite, Armenian, Persian etc. Not saying we helped shit, but, these problems can be traced back to before written history - probaly, religous claims n shit. The fact is they had a large Jewish population being persecuted (partly due to migration but not entirely the Wests fault), who were demanding exactly the same thing as the Irish at the same time, leading successful terror campaigns against the British and literally driving them out of modern day Israel. They all ended up getting what they wanted, kinda.

Everyone interviewed says he wasn't religious. Is there any evidence you know of that suggests otherwise?

His wife / ex wife said he visited a Mosque in April ? and his phone showed he had been in contact with known terrorist affiliated (although could be coincidental).

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

His wife / ex wife said he visited a Mosque in April ? and his phone showed he had been in contact with known terrorist affiliated (although could be coincidental).

So he went to a mosque once and that was notable. Proves my point from my perspective seeing as the devout go everyday...

[losCHUNK]

He's also being portrayed as a loner, with little contact with his ex. If he did become radicalised they think it was over a short period of time. The investigation is on going though

When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.

[Eraser]

It would be best if all media just said IS had little or nothing to do with it.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

He's also being portrayed as a loner, with little contact with his ex. If he did become radicalised they think it was over a short period of time. The investigation is on going though

afaik he wasn't doing the (multi) daily prayers at home either (never did when he was married) so the loner thing doesn't suggest he avoided mosque but was still religious. but i have to emphaize that i don't really know what this guy was about. still apparently people who are willing to do this violence for whatever reason are drawn to the idea of a reason that they think will make them look better (again according to people who study these people).

[Eraser]

When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.

Is that a by-the-way-just-curious question or are you trying to make a point? If the latter, replace "mosque" with church and re-evaluate the question.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.

perhaps if you were Muslim.

[losCHUNK]

It would be best if all media just said IS had little or nothing to do with it.

It's kinda hard when they're claiming responsibility to be fair.

He's also being portrayed as a loner, with little contact with his ex. If he did become radicalised they think it was over a short period of time. The investigation is on going though

afaik he wasn't doing the (multi) daily prayers at home either (never did when he was married) so the loner thing doesn't suggest he avoided mosque but was still religious. but i have to emphaize that i don't really know what this guy was about. still apparently people who are willing to do this violence for whatever reason are drawn to the idea of a reason that they think will make them look better (again according to people who study these people).

Same, I said on the page back that this guy looks like a prime candidate for someone like IS to fuck up though. He was in the right area too and was atleast in contact with radicalised people, the police have said.

The guy was obviously fucked up though, when I read the report about him having Psychosis that would probaly be the bigger factor in all this. But I think a better question would be, do we think he would've killed IF he has been in contact / radicalised by someone like IS ?

[losCHUNK]

When's the last time you visited a Mosque ?, not something I've done to be fair.

perhaps if you were Muslim.

Well that was kinda my point