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An ambient track i've been working on

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:24 pm
by brisk
I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with the work of William Basinki, but i've been digging his stuff lately. He plays with classical or ambient tape loops, which very subtlely transform and mutate over time.

Anyway, i've wanted to do a piano-based ambient track for a while. This is basically something i've come up with over the past few days, and although its not what I would consider complete, i'm tempted to leave it in this unfinished state.

Eventually, it will probably be used in short experimental films I produce when I go back to uni.

I realise this isn't for everyone, and i'm sure you're all familiar with my weird taste in music by now. I'm also positive i'll get an "its too repetitive" response from a few of you, but please understand that the repetition is intentional.

Anyway enough babbling... you can download it from http://www.thepuzl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/music/qualm.mp3 (4.29mb/2m55s)

The normal critique is welcome, positive or negative.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:25 pm
by brisk
BTW I haven't had time to properly master it, so if its a little heavy in the low-freq range, I appologise.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:04 pm
by bitWISE
That's fucking sexy! The only thing I would change is shorten the gap between piano sequences or maybe have two alternating sequences.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:16 pm
by shiznit
not my type of music but it's not bad.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:27 pm
by brisk
bitWISE wrote:That's fucking sexy! The only thing I would change is shorten the gap between piano sequences or maybe have two alternating sequences.
Thanks.

I was playing with that for quite a while... experimenting with weird time signatures and suchlike. As it stands, I personally think the interval is the right length, but I appreciate your opinion!

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:28 pm
by bitWISE
Its really not bad but the emptyness seems to catch my attention and then I get hit with a hard note.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:32 pm
by brisk
Well it doesn't quite work right using the standard 4/4 approach, and it definately requires a rest. It was originally shorter, but eventually I settled on this as it still keeps the 4/4 time signature.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:48 am
by Dave
yeah, it loops too quickly and it's too repetitive. One thing I've always thought about ambient is that you're not really supposed to know it's there.. I couldn't get past that. There were also some pronounced resonances underlying the whole thing that also got a little monotonous.. maybe tone them down a bit. Lots of ambient music seems to have that component, but in this track it's either too drawn out or too loud to really blend into the background. Otherwise it's a good start. Don't let drum give you any shit about real music >:E

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:02 am
by simple
I liked it, it's very peaceful. To me it was centering. A little bit more verity; kind of wish it was longer.

When fed through an equalizer, I found the song to be a little muddy. Some of the sounds that I expected to find in 1k to 6k range seemed to be 64 to 500 range. Some of what I herd in the 32 range I expected in 64.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:27 am
by DRuM
Dave wrote: Don't let drum give you any shit about real music >:E

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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:45 am
by Grandpa Stu
it's pretty. i like it so far. it definitely needs some mastering work to fix a few things though.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:14 am
by ForM
You have a very intresting substance.
But its only good for an intro/outro. I kept waiting for it to float off in a diffrent place but it droned on and on.

Lovely for about 16 bars.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:01 am
by neh
this is a lovely start m8 - honestly its really nice - do you fancy hooking me up with some wavs - would love to remix this :)

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:04 am
by neh
p.s. its not really all that ambient - reminds me a litle of some of the chris clarke toy piano parts - nice stuff

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:06 am
by Pauly
blip

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:19 am
by neh
Pauly wrote:blip
not quite - its more of a bloop m8 - get it right huh

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:36 am
by brisk
Thanks for the comments guys.

Dave: its not that kind of ambient music. Stuff like brian eno is more aka to what you're refering to, but my idea for this was to create something more reflective of mood.

Stu: Mastering will be done properly once i'm finally happy with it. I don't think its muddy at all (i'm using sennheiser 650's so I can hear pretty much everything), but the low frequencies are perhaps a little too strong at the momment.

Form: yes, that is the intention. Ideally i'd make a whole album of similar stuff which can be used for films etc.. a different track for a different mood or emotion. Each about 2 minutes long.

neh: sure, once i've got something finished i'll send you the stuff.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:32 pm
by plained
i see where youre going threr.

i like it alot in the film frame of mind context you had established me into beforehand .

i hear technical flaws here in there like empty space and it doesnt bother me.

one thing i ask is

the piano

is it intentional to have it overdrivin and clip?

if yes i dig it because of my current italian western movie soundtrack fetish.

if thats not the way its sposed to be them i'd like a much richer/lusher piano sound

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:40 pm
by Don Carlos
I love it :D

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:53 pm
by 4days
good stuff :)

guess it depends on the film that it's for, but the bit after that bit where it sounds like the piano keys are dramatically 'stabbed' - where the piano runs into itself (it sounds like the first keypress of one loop happens just before the last keypress of the previous loop). that bit - might be a bit too abstract, enough to stand out and affect suspension of disbelief. but like i said, it depends on the film that it's for. maybe if the piano voice was more of a 'music box' thing then it would sound a bit more natural, creepy rather than ambient, but more natural. maybe let the 'reedy' melody do more of the work.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:54 pm
by 4days
christ, maybe i should stop smoking the second i get in from work.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:07 pm
by brisk
The main instrument isn't a piano by the way. I'll say no more than that :)

4days: there is also some slight percussion (with delay) going on, which is perhaps what you're hearing. I like the fact that the sound is somewhat inperfect.. in fact, it was sequenced much tighter before, but it lost some of its charm in the process. Its more of a personal preference I guess.

plained: the sound has been distorted intentionally. I've been digging the new BOC album whereby they intentionally fuck up and destroy the sound. Again, it fits in with the themes of William Basinksi whereby the tape reels literally disintergrate over the course of the album. I even considered burning the track to CDR, then recording it to tape, then re-recording it back into the PC. But we'll see how it goes.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:16 pm
by DRuM
brisk wrote:The main instrument isn't a piano by the way. I'll say no more than that :)
Marimba? Vibes?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:38 pm
by plained
hehe i thought it sounded like a overdrivin cheap casio on piano setting.

i doent think id bounce of tape.

for me id layer noise in where you want it over the parts you want, it'll be contrasty too then.

iether either, its all correct anyways heh

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:40 pm
by o'dium
Thats amazing, really well done. That really reminded me a lot of the kind of calm music you get in the Resident Evil save rooms :)