Quake3World

http://www.thepuzl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ... s/pawp.mp3 (about 5mb)

Its a happy, bright, sad, gay, hetero, retro, trancey, techno, melodic, rhythmic, pop song and i've got about half of it done so far. I'm building up towards a nice ambient-type breakdown, and then i'm gonna reintroduce the percussion and bring on a full string assault.

Its very different to what i'd normally produce, but I can never listen to any particular style of music for longer than an hour anyway.

Anyway, i'd be happy if you could tell me what you think of it so far, and if the response is good, I will actually try and finish it.

Points to note:

I realise the introduction of the strings is slightly off at the momment, though that will be easy to fix.

Its a tad samey before the main synth melody is introduced, thought I plan to fill that up with numerous effects and sweeps as required.

It ends quite abruptly. Thats just cos I haven't done anything past that bit yet.

The bassline is perhaps a tad strong. I'll probably lower the low freq EQ when I finish it/master it properly.

Thats all for now. Enjoy (or not)

brisk wrote:



Its very different to what i'd normally produce, but I can never listen to any particular style of music for longer than an hour anyway.

Perhaps if you could you might record something with decent musical content. It's like everyone is producing this stuff with no real love of good music simply because everyone has the tools at their disposal to make this stuff. Well produced but boring as hell. That's just my opinion, take it or leave it. Sorry. You can all flame me at your leisure.

DRuM wrote:

brisk wrote:



Its very different to what i'd normally produce, but I can never listen to any particular style of music for longer than an hour anyway.

Perhaps if you could you might record something with decent musical content. It's like everyone is producing this stuff with no real love of good music simply because everyone has the tools at their disposal to make this stuff. Well produced but boring as hell. That's just my opinion, take it or leave it. Sorry. You can all flame me at your leisure.

Heh, not at all. I actually would like to add some vocals to this, and real instruments to beef up the sound, but sadly without having access to a proper recording studio, it is quite difficult.

Good music is subjective though. I think its very, very naive to disregard everything else apart from the music you like by the way. If I thought like that, i'd still be listening to BROS.

brisk wrote: Good music is subjective though. I think its very, very naive to disregard everything else apart from the music you like by the way. If I thought like that, i'd still be listening to BROS.

Indeed. Drum does this a lot, as if he is some kind of elite musical overlord.

Ryoki wrote:

brisk wrote: Good music is subjective though. I think its very, very naive to disregard everything else apart from the music you like by the way. If I thought like that, i'd still be listening to BROS.

Indeed. Drum does this a lot, as if he is some kind of elite musical overlord.

He asked for opinions, he got one. If that makes me some kind of elite musical overlord, so be it. Unless brisk only wants to hear from the people that think it's good in which case there's not much point in asking for opinions. Mine is one persons opinion, I'm sure neh and a few others here will love it.

... whereas, in fact, he is nothing but a drummer :lol:

edit: @ryoki

diego wrote:... whereas, in fact, he is nothing but a drummer :lol:

edit: @ryoki

Cancel the lube diego, I'm coming in the rough way! :icon32:

Ryoki wrote:

brisk wrote: Good music is subjective though. I think its very, very naive to disregard everything else apart from the music you like by the way. If I thought like that, i'd still be listening to BROS.

Indeed. Drum does this a lot, as if he is some kind of elite musical overlord.

You can't expect a man of his age to understand.

Its not the feedback which is annoying drum. You can say whatever you like about the music, and any feedback (positive or negative) is good for me, as it helps me improve.

The thing that annoyed me was:

no real love of good music

That is an incredibly pretentious thing to say. I'd consider myself a music lover in every sense of the word, and I actually find it quite insulting that you'd say that to me just because my idea(s) of sound vary from yours.

DRuM wrote:Perhaps if you could you might record something with decent musical content. It's like everyone is producing this stuff with no real love of good music simply because everyone has the tools at their disposal to make this stuff. Well produced but boring as hell. That's just my opinion, take it or leave it. Sorry. You can all flame me at your leisure.

lol, that level of ignorance absolutely fucking begs to be flamed - but i'm listening to the mp3 now and it does sound like something from the seemingly endless stream of techno/trance/trance-techno/samey knob twiddlery cds that go through my mates record shop (which is a compliment and a cuss at the same time).

i like the way things in it change frequently - the main melody's nice but could do with sounding a bit more stabby and maybe another (less flat) drumsound for the drum that comes in right at the start and carries on all the way through till 2:44 would give it more character.

..that might be my bias for non-4/4 stuff coming through though, the next thing i thought of was snares and distorted bass and breakbeats and someone toasting incomprehensibly over the top of it all.

I like it, it's very relaxing, Make a few more and add some jungle animals, thunder, rain and waterfall sound effects and you got yourself one of them meditation CDs

brisk wrote:
The thing that annoyed me was:

no real love of good music

That is an incredibly pretentious thing to say. I'd consider myself a music lover in every sense of the word, and I actually find it quite insulting that you'd say that to me just because my idea(s) of sound vary from yours.

Well I apologise brisk as it wasn't my intention to insult you, shock or generally be an arse simply because it's q3w. But when people say things like

brisk wrote: I can never listen to any particular style of music for longer than an hour anyway.

it does make me wonder how much love for music they actually have. The musicians in this world that, IMO, produce great music are the ones that have listened intently to other genres of music for long periods of time over years. Everyone and their mum is producing stuff like yours. That's not an insult, just a fact. Everyone thinks they're a musician without even knowing what a chord is. I find it insulting to musicians that have studied music.

DRuM wrote:

brisk wrote:
The thing that annoyed me was:

no real love of good music

That is an incredibly pretentious thing to say. I'd consider myself a music lover in every sense of the word, and I actually find it quite insulting that you'd say that to me just because my idea(s) of sound vary from yours.

Well I apologise brisk as it wasn't my intention to insult you, shock or generally be an arse simply because it's q3w. But when people say things like

brisk wrote: I can never listen to any particular style of music for longer than an hour anyway.

it does make me wonder how much love for music they actually have. The musicians in this world that, IMO, produce great music are the ones that have listened intently to other genres of music for long periods of time over years. Everyone and their mum is producing stuff like yours. That's not an insult, just a fact. Everyone thinks they're a musician without even knowing what a chord is. I find it insulting to musicians that have studied music.

LOL

4days wrote:

DRuM wrote:Perhaps if you could you might record something with decent musical content. It's like everyone is producing this stuff with no real love of good music simply because everyone has the tools at their disposal to make this stuff. Well produced but boring as hell. That's just my opinion, take it or leave it. Sorry. You can all flame me at your leisure.

lol, that level of ignorance absolutely fucking begs to be flamed - but i'm listening to the mp3 now and it does sound like something from the seemingly endless stream of techno/trance/trance-techno/samey knob twiddlery cds that go through my mates record shop (which is a compliment and a cuss at the same time).

i like the way things in it change frequently - the main melody's nice but could do with sounding a bit more stabby and maybe another (less flat) drumsound for the drum that comes in right at the start and carries on all the way through till 2:44 would give it more character.

..that might be my bias for non-4/4 stuff coming through though, the next thing i thought of was snares and distorted bass and breakbeats and someone toasting incomprehensibly over the top of it all.

Thanks for the comments. I think thats very fair actually, and its definately not gonna set the world alight with regards to innovation

Just a bit of fun on my part really, as I wanted to do something different and lighter from the normally darker, more aggressive stuff i'd normally do. I like to produce music in the little spare time I have away from the other arty stuff I do, and I like to keep myself busy creatively

I think this track definately did help me with regards to production though. Its interesting comparing the flat, lifeless sound of tracks you'd produce when you start out to something you'll produce sometime after. Like everything else, its all one big learning curve, and you improve the more you do it

DRuM wrote: it does make me wonder how much love for music they actually have. The musicians in this world that, IMO, produce great music are the ones that have listened intently to other genres of music for long periods of time over years. Everyone and their mum is producing stuff like yours. That's not an insult, just a fact. Everyone thinks they're a musician without even knowing what a chord is. I find it insulting to musicians that have studied music.

Maybe I should show you my record collection one day. I guarentee, you'll eat your words

when i asembled computer tunes back in the early 90's, i used lines from movies that i liked as the chours and verses i guess.

i know thats old now.

I could fart a better tune.


p.s it's very good. Well done.

brisk wrote:
Maybe I should show you my record collection one day. I guarentee, you'll eat your words

1.No doubt mostly downloaded for free like so many people that think buying music is a waste of money when they can get it for free. Oh how cool is the internet with free music software and free mp3s !

2. Did you listen to them all the way through or did they fortunately for you finish before an hour was up, saving you getting bored, oh passionate music lover? :icon32:

3. And so, why can't you listen to anything for more than an hour?

4. Name some! :icon26:

You feeling alright DRuM?

Pauly wrote:You feeling alright DRuM?

A little bit argumentative. The valium is kicking in though.

drum takes music serios it seems :manonamission:

Most of the new music I buy is on vinyl. You're right though, all my music is also in MP3 format (much easier carrying 25,000 MP3's around with me than actual CD's or records i'd say) simply for ease of use.

No, I bought my music just to store away in the corner... of course i've heard them all.

You're taking this whole "can't listen to anything longer than an hour" remark way too literally. All it means is that I like to mix up my playing order, so I don't just listen to one style of music all the time. I'd go insane otherwise. Are you seriously telling me that all you will listen to is rock or rnb for hours on end? Shit, no wonder you're insane

I can't really justify posting names of artists I listen to here, as you've probably never heard of many of them anyway, and would be soon to judge them as crap without even taking the time to listen to them.

I listen to rock, RnB, jazz, funk, soul, classical, folk, pop, country, drum n bass, house, metal, you name it.

The way I see it, if it doesn't have groove, let it have a tune. If it doesn't have a good tune, let it have a good groove.
Yours has neither. There is no feel or groove to it, and hardly any melody, it's just 'sounds'

perhaps you're just not *feeling* it.

dunno, havent heard the track so dont mind me

DRuM, I am not trolling, but seriously: I played guitar for more than 23 years by now and I honestly, truly and seriously say - I very, very rarely listen to a whole CD at a time.

That is, because more than one oh-so-gifted and talented musician has got 2 great tunes on his/her CDs and fills it up with styrofoam.