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will watch l8r

SoM wrote:will watch l8r

I plan to too

Added to my queue.

already 30min in, it's bloody excellent

and watching this high is even better

awesome watch

SoM wrote:and watching this high is even better

Will keep this in mind.

that's brilliant!

also, Ripley ftw

I miss films

So I guess she's just the excuse female so the director can say "look, we have a female lead!"

but as the guy in the video points out, we had strong female leads back in the 1980s, only they were the real deal not something hastily constructed in a campus lab by gender studies professors out of tears, vaginas and Lancome

Yeah but back then there wasn't as strong an incentive to "prove" that you're giving actresses a chance. It wasn't a social selling point as it is now, so Ripley was written and cast for very different reasons than this Jurassic World character.

It is an excellent video that goes ways beyond showing how to tell a perfect narrative.
Hill's whole channel is an excellent watch . Thanks Memphis.

TIL: The bad T is always on the left side. "Fuck you" from a leftie.
And the pendulum, swinging light-thing. Yep, that was something that I really was not consciously aware of.

Has Cameron confirmed that he followed this formula? Seems like a stretch when he was picking apart every minute detail of each scene. This also reminded me how much I disliked Linda Hamilton in Terminator.

The second video was garbage.
Don't judge that red haired lady for not calling back the team quick enough. The whole purpose of that team WAS to capture rogue dinos and those deaths were seconds apart. She was also kept in the dark by higher ups about the dinos super powers. Also iirc, they closed down the park shortly after that scene but there was a shitload of people and things were happening fast.

He also left out the part where she spent most of the movie out of her comfort zone courageously saving those two kids with starlord.

The plot was weak for sure but he is shitting on it for the wrong reasons.

#1 I wouldn’t call a pg-13 action/ horror a “family movie”
#2 I watched the vid and you just repeated all of his arguments for no reason.Thats his definition of what films should be and He cherry picked some shit to fit his argument
#3 the plot was dumb as hell but it’s obvious you haven’t even seen it

Memphis wrote:Claire has no redeeming character arc where she realises her mistakes and makes up for it

Pretty sure she does, he just conveniently leaves that part out of his talk. Also that innocent assistant was the one who neglected and lost her nephews in the first place. Also two people who we're higher up than Claire were killed in horrible ways for their choices. He leaves that out. I would argue she is just like Goreman minus the death at the end.

Thank you Memphis Both very interesting and enlightening and well worth the watch for sure. Excellent

shaft wrote:

Memphis wrote:Claire has no redeeming character arc where she realises her mistakes and makes up for it

Pretty sure she does, he just conveniently leaves that part out of his talk. Also that innocent assistant was the one who neglected and lost her nephews in the first place. Also two people who we're higher up than Claire were killed in horrible ways for their choices. He leaves that out. I would argue she is just like Goreman minus the death at the end.

Rly ?, my memory is vague so please forgive but

-The assistant made a mistake and died in the process of trying to fix it (finding the kids).
- The dude that died in the chopper was a decent dude that died horribly also trying to fix his mistake ?.
- I think the other dude you are talking about is Starlords army 'mate' with the Raptors ?, which is probaly closest to Nedry / Burke (backstabbing pricks doing it for coin and business). He was probably one of the weakest main characters in the story n all.

Clare didn't really have an arc, unless you wanna go she learned to listen road. She was just a vehicle to get Starlord doing things.

losCHUNK wrote: Rly ?, my memory is vague so please forgive but

-The assistant made a mistake and died in the process of trying to fix it (finding the kids).
- The dude that died in the chopper was a decent dude that died horribly also trying to fix his mistake ?.
- I think the other dude you are talking about is Starlords army 'mate' with the Raptors ?, which is probaly closest to Nedry / Burke (backstabbing pricks doing it for coin and business). He was probably one of the weakest main characters in the story n all.

Clare didn't really have an arc, unless you wanna go she learned to listen road. She was just a vehicle to get Starlord doing things.

This is how I remember it. The dude in the chopper was the top guy who replaced Hammond and was pushing for more lethal crossbred dino to boost park attendance. Starlords army mate who wanted killing machines got his not caring about anyone till the end.

Everyone was trying to contain the mess in the movie, it was the intention behind it that mattered. Some people were trying to contain to save people, some just concerned about money and the company.

Claire had a pretty weak arc from distant aunt who was all company to family matters the most sort of thing. I'm not saying it was great but certainly not the monster portrayed in that vid and you certainly cant blame every death in the movie on her. Why not blame her assistants death on the guy who didn't hit the button in time to close the gate?
Innocent people died (happens all the time in movies), but I never really thought anyone was to blame but the dicks at the top who bred the super dino. Everything else was mistakes while trying to do the right thing.

The guy took issue with the director trying to hype up the female lead with the word "feminist" and then shit all over it with select edits.

Maybe that last bit is exactly what irked the guy in the video. If the director/producer/whoever hadn't tried to label it as feminist then maybe it wouldn't be as big an issue.

That and he felt Claire should be the same as Ripley just because there were borrowed scenes.

Eraser wrote:Maybe that last bit is exactly what irked the guy in the video. If the director/producer/whoever hadn't tried to label it as feminist then maybe it wouldn't be as big an issue.

That's the same kind of issue I had with 28 Days Later when I first saw it. My mate and I would hire a movie or two on a weekend and watch it (when that was still a thing). So we'd regularly watch the DVD extras too.
We watched 28 Days Later and thoroughly enjoyed it for being a good modern zombie flick.
Then we watched the extras where Alex Garland tried to claim it was some artsy commentary on society. He couldn't just come out and say "yeah, we made a fun zombie movie!"; he was intent on ascribing the film with more intellectual worth than it was due.
And that tarnished my initial fondness for the movie.

shaft wrote:

losCHUNK wrote: Rly ?, my memory is vague so please forgive but

-The assistant made a mistake and died in the process of trying to fix it (finding the kids).
- The dude that died in the chopper was a decent dude that died horribly also trying to fix his mistake ?.
- I think the other dude you are talking about is Starlords army 'mate' with the Raptors ?, which is probaly closest to Nedry / Burke (backstabbing pricks doing it for coin and business). He was probably one of the weakest main characters in the story n all.

Clare didn't really have an arc, unless you wanna go she learned to listen road. She was just a vehicle to get Starlord doing things.

This is how I remember it. The dude in the chopper was the top guy who replaced Hammond and was pushing for more lethal crossbred dino to boost park attendance. Starlords army mate who wanted killing machines got his not caring about anyone till the end.

Everyone was trying to contain the mess in the movie, it was the intention behind it that mattered. Some people were trying to contain to save people, some just concerned about money and the company.

Claire had a pretty weak arc from distant aunt who was all company to family matters the most sort of thing. I'm not saying it was great but certainly not the monster portrayed in that vid and you certainly cant blame every death in the movie on her. Why not blame her assistants death on the guy who didn't hit the button in time to close the gate?
Innocent people died (happens all the time in movies), but I never really thought anyone was to blame but the dicks at the top who bred the super dino. Everything else was mistakes while trying to do the right thing.

The guy took issue with the director trying to hype up the female lead with the word "feminist" and then shit all over it with select edits.

Gotcha, I actually associated Claire with the Hammond character more than anything who started out as a corporate whore realising her mistake when the hybrid killed the team, thing is that didn't really convey to me cos like you said, weak arc. Hammond conveyed remorse at what he did where as Claire was just hanging onto Starlords tale.

I think Erasure got it right with reguards to the video, where she was hyped up as a strong female lead. I don't think he wanted her to be like Ripley, I think he was just using Ripley as an example of a strong female lead which she wasn't. I took it as how Ripley controlled a situation VS Claire who until the last scene kept losing the control. She actually had the stereotypical 'women driver' syndrome.

Wouldn't go that far, Starlord was the main protagonist who shadowed Sam Neal quite well. He was supposed to be the character you connect with where he's always pointing at the mistakes by everyone. He was all about the respect for nature n stuff, his character fell short by what was going on around him though with trained Raptors, silly henchmen n shite. I can't actually remember his character development, but all Sam Neals was appreciating annoying kids.

Yea none of us are buying that. Wouldn't be the 1st time a director tried hyping something that wasn't after the film was released (I'm looking at you Ridley Scott).