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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... ory?page=1

Despite the dark tone of the article, this is still funny:

On one wall is a "Star Trek" poster with investigators' faces substituted for the Starship Enterprise crew. But even that alludes to a dark fact of their work: All but one of the offenders they have arrested in the last four years was a hard-core Trekkie.

edit: not funny haha, funny sad

I started reading it but stopped on page two, not sure if it was the content or the chinese food I was eating, I started feeling a little ill. I tossed the food and closed the article.

I had some trouble finishing it. Did feel a bit ill by the end.

i would agree to the death penalty for crimes against kids.

shit like this is just so wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... 50513.html

EDMONTON - The injuries six-year-old Corrine (Punky) Gustavson suffered while being raped in 1992 were so severe that they could have killed her had she not been smothered, a medical examiner told a murder trial this week.

"This is the worst example of this that I have seen," Dr. Graeme Dowling testified Thursday at the first-degree murder trial of Clifford Sleigh.

He said the child's vagina was violently torn during the rape, and could have bled enough to cause her death without immediate treatment.

The actual cause of death was smothering.

this guy will be killed in prison.

I have a wild, uncontrollable hatred for child abusers. I say, make sure they're really guilty, then execute them.

I know we've discussed this before, but do you think the "kill 'em" attitude helps? I seriously doubt that these people are really "evil." They are fucked up in the head crazy. If society's attitude towards this would change, maybe more people would seek help and these type of things would be less common.

I'm not saying the offenders are blameless because they have some sort of illness or chemical imbalance that makes children (or the power thing) sexually attractive. They still have the responsibility to not act on the urges and seek help. I just think society's attitude towards these people discourages them from seeking the help that could prevent this sort of thing from happening. Dunno...

Hey - I live in reality :icon32:

Seriously though - you make a valid point. I'm just not in the mood to be too thoughtful about such a hideous crime today.

Fender wrote:I know we've discussed this before, but do you think the "kill 'em" attitude helps? I seriously doubt that these people are really "evil." They are fucked up in the head crazy. If society's attitude towards this would change, maybe more people would seek help and these type of things would be less common.

I'm not saying the offenders are blameless because they have some sort of illness or chemical imbalance that makes children (or the power thing) sexually attractive. They still have the responsibility to not act on the urges and seek help. I just think society's attitude towards these people discourages them from seeking the help that could prevent this sort of thing from happening. Dunno...

i agree for the most part. i have a good understanding of mental illneess.

how can we let someone(regardless of mental illness)do these things to innocent 6 year old kids?

bah, this is fucked up shit.

NPR just did a bit on this same thing today on Talk of the Nation -- Science Friday. I didn't get to listen because I was in and out of the lab all day, but I think it's about psychology of sex abuse. They usually have streaming audio available a couple hours after the show, so you can check it out HERE when the audio link is up.

Fender wrote:I know we've discussed this before, but do you think the "kill 'em" attitude helps? I seriously doubt that these people are really "evil." They are fucked up in the head crazy. If society's attitude towards this would change, maybe more people would seek help and these type of things would be less common.

I'm not saying the offenders are blameless because they have some sort of illness or chemical imbalance that makes children (or the power thing) sexually attractive. They still have the responsibility to not act on the urges and seek help. I just think society's attitude towards these people discourages them from seeking the help that could prevent this sort of thing from happening. Dunno...

If they sought help before doing anything heinous, I'd agree with you. Once they cross that line, all they deserve is a painful death.

I think his point is that there's such a stigma attached to that type of disorder, that noone would ever want to admit they have it and seek help.

That was a really depressing article. I can't think of a worse job; how could you spend the whole day looking at stuff like that and not get emotionally hammered? It's nice to think, though, that they can get enough clues from the photos to sometimes catch the bad guy.

R00k wrote:I think his point is that there's such a stigma attached to that type of disorder, that noone would ever want to admit they have it and seek help.

What are we to do? The APA has removed pedophilia from the DSM-IV, so evidently they don't see it as an illness.
If someone has urges along those lines, then they need to seek help. I agree that there's a stigma attached to mental illness in general, and pedophilia in particular. Insurance companies have done nothing but make it more difficult to get any sort of effective treatment, so they're not much help. It seems to me that as usual, parents are to blame, because there HAVE to be signs of this kind of behavior that are detectable at an early age.
I think that treatment programs should be mandatory for first offenders, but the repeat and severe first offenders fall under the same category in my book. Shoot the fuckers right between the eyes. Some people you can not rehabilitate, and who says they deserve to be rehabilitated anyway?

Nightshade wrote:

R00k wrote:It seems to me that as usual, parents are to blame, because there HAVE to be signs of this kind of behavior that are detectable at an early age.

I agree with almost everything you've said, but that point I doubt. How young is young when you're 12 or 15. You're still just a kid and I doubt they'd go too young. What's to look for?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... 50513.html

ORLANDO, FLA. - A girl at the centre of an international child porn case who was shown being sexually assaulted in a series of photographs discovered on the internet by Toronto police has been found safe.

i guess the job has some rewards afterall. :icon26:

Shmee wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

R00k wrote:It seems to me that as usual, parents are to blame, because there HAVE to be signs of this kind of behavior that are detectable at an early age.

I agree with almost everything you've said, but that point I doubt. How young is young when you're 12 or 15. You're still just a kid and I doubt they'd go too young. What's to look for?

I don't know, I'm not the headshrinker. Playing with matches, bedwetting, compulsive internet forum trolling, there has to be something.

Nightshade wrote:

R00k wrote:I think his point is that there's such a stigma attached to that type of disorder, that noone would ever want to admit they have it and seek help.

What are we to do? The APA has removed pedophilia from the DSM-IV, so evidently they don't see it as an illness.
I think that treatment programs should be mandatory for first offenders, but the repeat and severe first offenders fall under the same category in my book. Shoot the fuckers right between the eyes. Some people you can not rehabilitate, and who says they deserve to be rehabilitated anyway?

If it was part of DSM, then pedo activity would become a medical problem - not much of a solution. It would also likely open legal loopholes for those caught. I like your other suggestions tho.