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Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:11 am
by Whiskey 7
My home air con (1 of 2 units) failed the other day and I had the tech out to check.
I shouldn't have been so lazy as I think it is going to cost me plenty.
Short story.
I said I recon it is the capacitor. He was late so I didn't want him looking at everything first.
He went straight to the capacitor and found open circuit.
Didn't have one on the truck to replace so I said never mind, I will fix it.
Like I sad should have done it myself..
Lesson learned.
Anyway, current (pun not intended but welcome) capacitor is a 35uF 370v capacitor and all I can find online is a CAPACITOR, OIL-FILLED,MOTOR RUN, 40UF, 370V, CASE S ROUND
What difference will 3 micro farads make I ask?
Less that 10% difference.
That would be OK wouldn't it?
Advice please

Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:02 am
by Captain
Yes that sounds about right.
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:51 am
by Whiskey 7
Captain Mazda wrote:Yes that sounds about right.
Thought so Captain Mazda
Forgive me asking for further opinions/advice

Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:27 am
by 4days
Guess you've already checked, but is there a part number on the dud capacitor, or a parts list on the manufacturer's site for the AC unit?
Also, you could try this place (which i would've called something catchier personally) for all your capacitor needs:
http://www.cbb65.com/
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:38 am
by Scarface
The difference of 5uF is so small it will not make a difference. As long as the cap is the same form factor, voltage ( which it is, and is really the most important, over voltaging a cap will blow it up ) it will work.
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:41 am
by Scarface
Also high voltage is >750V, this is low voltage 30-750V

As per the CEC anyways
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:53 pm
by seremtan
i didn't read any of this thread, so someone else may have suggested this already, but have you tried fixing the problem?
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:16 pm
by Whiskey 7
seremtan wrote:i didn't read any of this thread, so someone else may have suggested this already, but have you tried fixing the problem?
Sorry, should have reported back

Yes & no is the answer.
I took the AC compressor covers off yesterday and double checked the values on the capacitor. Went online and found a suitable replacement but in Hong Kong.
Now I did inquire locally last Friday (with the technicians values) and have a shop to attend Monday PM (Sunday AM here at this item)., cost about $30.
Funny. I checked with another AC company Friday and asked they come out (fallback option) but that won't be until next week (busy here - warm weather) and said get the tech to bring one of these (value) capacitors as I suspect it is the problem but call me back with a price first.
That office called back to say the part is some $1500
I suggest they check as it is on the web for like $20 - $40.
Will keep you posted

Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:20 pm
by YourGrandpa
And this highly interesting, much anticipated saga continues.
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:08 pm
by seremtan
YourChernobpa

Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:10 pm
by YourGrandpa
Cementcan.

Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:08 am
by Whiskey 7
Scarface wrote:Also high voltage is >750V, this is low voltage 30-750V

As per the CEC anyways
Fixed
YourGrandpa wrote:And this highly interesting, much anticipated saga continues.
This place makes me near

with laughter sometimes.
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:18 am
by Scarface
Whiskey you wouldn't happen to have a meter would you or know of someone who does? Like a Fluke 87-5 or similar that can read micro farads, as to prove the capacitor is fucked?
If all else fails obviously call an hvac guy, but to save around $150/hr it's worth it to piss around with this thing
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:26 am
by Whiskey 7
Scarface wrote:Whiskey you wouldn't happen to have a meter would you or know of someone who does? Like a Fluke 87-5 or similar that can read micro farads, as to prove the capacitor is fucked?
If all else fails obviously call an hvac guy, but to save around $150/hr it's worth it to piss around with this thing
Yes, wish I had a late model meter, mine came out of Noah's Ark
Hey, that's an idea
I got some electricians at my work that should have
those meters and be able to check/prove the capacitor.
Thanks Scarface

Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:00 am
by obsidian
Whiskey, as thanks you'll have to polish Scarface's l'il frien'.
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:14 pm
by SplEEb
wow, I went to a place here called "grainger" and bought a new motor, $90. and capacitor $5.
Sounds like your getting bent over.
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:03 am
by mrd
I'm sure there are quality differences in caps, ya? Don't think it's quite as simple as one size fits all, and to be honest, a $5 cap sounds like a piece o' chit.
Re: Any electricians here? HV Capacitor question
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:11 am
by Whiskey 7
Whiskey 7 wrote:...
Will keep you posted

Yes fixed & up and running beautifully at 16c, cold air out of the 'head' & hot out of the compressor and now with cold brass fittings externally (before the insulation).
All is good
Thanks Scarface for the

to double check the first chap.
Like I said, we have sparkys at work & one checked the cap and it was, as he said a dud.
I went to that shop I called last Friday an picked it up for $30 so I save probably $100+ for another visit
Thanks all.
YourGrandpa wrote:And this highly interesting, much anticipated saga continues.
Sadly ending the novel.. .. ...
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:16 am
by Scarface
Glad i could provide you with some help. Enjoy the a/c goodness

Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:41 am
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
No electricians, just gwamps.
Re: Any electricians here? __ Capacitor question
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:52 pm
by SplEEb
mrd wrote:I'm sure there are quality differences in caps, ya? Don't think it's quite as simple as one size fits all, and to be honest, a $5 cap sounds like a piece o' chit.
The piece o' chit is still doing its job 6 years later.
I didn't get to pick, it was the only one they had that matched specs.
