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HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:48 pm
by xer0s
Charles turns 200 years young today.
Unfortunately a poll came out a couple days ago that states only 4 out of 10 people believe in evolution. In my opinion, this is a huge blow to the human race. 150 years after the idea was born and not even half of us believe it. Sad really...
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:53 pm
by Fender
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:54 pm
by GONNAFISTYA
"while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36 percent don’t have an opinion either way”
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/
Those poor "24 percenters" are beyond hope...and they still love Dubya.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:55 pm
by Fender
I hate how the question is even framed. Evolution is not something you believe or don't believe. That's like asking "Do you believe the sky is blue?" You understand it or you don't.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:58 pm
by Peenyuh
The news said that the 39% were comprised mostly of people with a college education or better. Pretty much says it all, eh?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:14 pm
by Transient
Peenyuh wrote:The news said that the 39% were comprised mostly of people with a college education or better. Pretty much says it all, eh?
No shit. People are idiots.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:18 pm
by bork[e]
Fender wrote:I hate how the question is even framed. Evolution is not something you believe or don't believe. That's like asking "Do you believe the sky is blue?" You understand it or you don't.
Maybe I haven't followed this all closely enough of the years, but I find it hard to believe we came from monkeys, what is the actual understanding behind all this, cause if the monkey thing is what is being talked about here... rof
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:22 pm
by Captain
The day the anti-Christ was born.
HBD
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:24 pm
by Peenyuh
bork[e] wrote:Fender wrote:I hate how the question is even framed. Evolution is not something you believe or don't believe. That's like asking "Do you believe the sky is blue?" You understand it or you don't.
Maybe I haven't followed this all closely enough of the years, but I find it hard to believe we came from monkeys, what is the actual understanding behind all this, cause if the monkey thing is what is being talked about here... rof
Okay, monkey-boy. (
) Listen , this thing is bigger than simply where we come from. It's how we got to where we are. If there was no evolution, than any remains - of any creatures - from 10,000 (or a million) years ago would show absolutely no difference from the same creature that just died last week.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:43 pm
by Fender
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:49 pm
by werldhed
bork[e] wrote:Fender wrote:I hate how the question is even framed. Evolution is not something you believe or don't believe. That's like asking "Do you believe the sky is blue?" You understand it or you don't.
Maybe I haven't followed this all closely enough of the years, but I find it hard to believe we came from monkeys, what is the actual understanding behind all this, cause if the monkey thing is what is being talked about here... rof
Evolution doesn't claim we came from monkeys. It says we share a common ancestor. Big difference.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:05 pm
by tnf
i think he was joking about the 'we came from monkeys' but if he wasn't, i am surprised that someone out there still thinks this is what evolutionary theory states.
But yea, I can't see how people can refuse to believe in something that is happening around us, although people's minds are sort of trapped by the temporal limitations placed on them by such short lifespans relative to the timescales these processes take place over.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:09 pm
by Bilirubin
bork[e] wrote:Fender wrote:I hate how the question is even framed. Evolution is not something you believe or don't believe. That's like asking "Do you believe the sky is blue?" You understand it or you don't.
Maybe I haven't followed this all closely enough of the years, but I find it hard to believe we came from monkeys, what is the actual understanding behind all this, cause if the monkey thing is what is being talked about here... rof
Nonono, we aren't monkeys. We are apes. We share a common ancestor with monkeys.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:11 pm
by tnf
werldhed wrote:
Evolution doesn't claim we came from monkeys. It says we share a common ancestor. Big difference.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm
by Bilirubin
GG reading the entire thread before replying.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:08 am
by R00k
tnf wrote:i think he was joking about the 'we came from monkeys' but if he wasn't, i am surprised that someone out there still thinks this is what evolutionary theory states.
Are you really?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:13 am
by tnf
ok, someone that posts here that thinks that.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:31 am
by Biz
evolution is pretty much fact isn't it?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:34 am
by tnf
One way to look at it:
That evolution occurs is fact, HOW evolution occurs is theory, as is how anything we develop a scientific model to describe...problem is that the public conception of the term theory is that it is just some idea cooked up by someone and everything that is a theory is just that - ideas.
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:36 am
by tnf
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:22 am
by Peenyuh
And, if Jesus wins, doesn't that prove Darwin right?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:33 am
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Did you sustain some sort of head trauma?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:51 am
by xer0s
tnf wrote:ok, someone that posts here that thinks that.
Just curious, but what does posting here have to do with it?
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:54 am
by Fender
Dr. P.Z. Myers will be at Darwin Day Banquet in Columbus, OH this weekend. Just a little too far for me to go, but we've got a couple other Ohioans here.
https://the-humanist-community-of-centr ... 4DB87CB04E
Re: HBD Darwin
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:54 am
by Bilirubin
