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And yet another error message which seems to have not been mentioned in the "common error" thread. Does anyone have knowledge of that FATAL error? 'cos that's what the game's keep telling me over and over again when I start up a ctf/tdm/ffa/tourney allround map of my own. Most of you probably know another fatal error if the .aas file wasn't found by the engine. Nice error since this one pops up only once inside the console and then only if you try to add bots. The problem with the "out of level items" error is that the more items are to be considered as being "out of the freaking level" the more often Quake 3 reports it... on screen... up to 100 times a sec... or something in that range I couldn't count it exactly but it's kinda pissing me off if I can't read ANY of the more important in-game messages (like bot chatting, cmds from other players etc.) since dozens of error messages are reported at the same time!
At least I have found out which items caused the problem and that it depends on their number inside the level (more items more reports remember? And yes this is REALLY turning me off.): the reason was every item that was placed in the "basement floors" (everything lower than the first floor of the GTKRadiant editor; you'll see this ground floor if you start up GTK and make a normal brush-> where this brush has it's downside there lies the ground floor - it's the zero value on the z axis; I just hope I made myself clear - somehow )
So let me put this straight: I can place as much items (literally dozens) in rooms forming the ground floor of my map as I want there will NEVER be a problem with those (except one room I'll get to that at the end of the post). But as soon as I start putting some weapons, power-ups, ammo and so on inside the rooms underneath the ground floor these are seen as "out of level items". Interestingly I can start this map without any problems if I compile it normally, no error then - even if there are items in the basement rooms. But as soon as I make the AAS THEN the error pops up while testing the map in Q3. Deleting the .aas makes that error disappear for good; no need to recompile anything.
So it seems that - since there are no leaks in my map - it's the bspc tool splitting up the map into slightly different clusters and areas than the compiling tool and throwing out some items into the void during that process.
But what can I do now to get bspc working correctly still using the -bsp2aas cmd?
Probably the incorrect splitting is caused by curves which form almost the entire 2nd basement floor? Why "probably"? Because items on B1 are also reported as "out of level" and B1 doesn't have a single curve. On the other side there is one single room construction on the ground floor again combining 4 curves to 2 rounded hallways. On top of these lies no endcap but a normal brush since GTK couldn't create end caps and I wanted to seal off these curves completely from the void using the mentioned solid brushes.

So if anyone is still reading that and could follow my explanations during the last few minutes I'd greatly appreciate his or her advises.
PS: I MUST have the possibility to place several items on B1 and B2 and I MUST have botplay enabled so I can't just ignore neither item placement on B1 and B2 nor can I just ignore the error popping up inside Q3, because it ruins tactical gameplay; and besides that it pisses me off, did I already mention that?
[EDIT: Corrected a few spelling mistakes]
[EDIT2: If it is of any help I can post the bspc console information like Herr W. did in his thread "Strange FPS boost after restart of the fraphic engine".]

I don't mean to be rude, but I read the first two sentences and stopped. I don't feel like reading all of that. Could you cut out all the drama and rewrite that in 3 or 4 sentences describing the exact problem? Not being able to read and understand all that makes it difficult to help you.

Skimming through that, it may mean either you have an entity that is in invalid space (void, within a brush, not sealed area, etc.) or it means something is wrong with the bots and they can't "see" the item. Also check your entity counts since there is a limit on the number of entities in a map (lights, func_entities, weapons, etc.) at (IIRC) 1024.

"Too Long; Didn't Read" summary:

I get an "out of level items" error, only after compiling .aas for my map. It goes away if I delete the .aas and I'm not sure what's causing this. Any ideas?

See, that wasn't hard. People probably aren't going to be able to visualize what's going on from your description.

My guess is that there's something wrong with your item placement and/or map construction that's causing it, but that's a pretty vague and unhelpful guess.

Your best bet is probably to post the .map file, and see if someone is willing to give it a look and see if they can tell what's wrong.

Damn, that description is a bit long indeed, sorry for that!

pjw does give an exact summary of all that stuff (thanks for reading), the rest of my writing is just a more detailed description of my map (regarding item placement and map construction) because there might be a lot of reasons for an "out of level" error so I tried to limit the possibilities that way.

Uploading the .map file really seems to be best I'll probably do it in a few days (although it's nothing more than a small project to get me distracted from my time consuming bigger main map).