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So i purchased a guitar...

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:39 am
by zeeko
but how do i learn to play it? I feel like I would much rather start slow and learn how to read music than just start learning chords and reading tabs...... opinions from the q3w guitar masters?

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:18 am
by mrd
learn tabs first... unless you can already sight read from another instrument (piano, brass, etc), it will just be an unneccessary hurdle for the moment. learn tabs, learn some chords, learn some simple songs, then learn to sight read if you still feel the need. it's not really that big of a deal unless you plan on interacting with other musicians. a lot of very famous guitarists have no formal training and don't sight read.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:18 am
by Berserker
Take some lessons.

Learning "Sheet Music" is alot like learning to read and write as a child. If you dont have it down at an early age, you may struggle with it a bit. It's not impossible though.

You can get by with learning Tab, and Chords, Unless you have your sights on being the next Steve Vai. Later on get into studing music theory and all that other good stuff. Its also helpful to know the layout of the fret board. Being able to find any note anywhere on the neck will make things much easier.

BTW what did you purchase? Acoustic, electric? What Brand?

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:22 am
by mrd
also, sight reading for guitar is actually very hard, due to the fact that you can play the exact same note in up to 6 different ways. this makes sight reading chords and solos, etc very difficult, cuz if you pick the wrong position, you may have just fucked yourself over for the next few notes.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:24 am
by Canis
Take lessons.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:25 am
by Canis
Be prepared to cuss up a storm, and have painful, burning, sore fingertips.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:30 am
by mrd
heh yeah... your fingers will hurt a lot for a bit, but they will callous up quickly so don't worry about that. the first time i played guitar, i tried my damndest to learn master of puppets for 8 hours straight... i think my fingers were almost bleeding after that haha. also... USE YOUR PINKY! i can't tell you how many people i see that don't use it. it's there, so use it. it will make a lot of chords and phrases a lot easier than if you don't use it. it's very hard at first, cuz it's basically joined to your ring finger and effectively fucking retarded, but keep at it, and it will gain independance from your other fingers.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:32 am
by Canis
You'll fuck up if you do it on your own. Therefore, take lessons!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:39 am
by mrd
Hey... I never took lessons. I like to think I'm pretty good. I know more theory than any of my 5 or 6 buddies that have been playing for as long or longer than me, and with the exception of one guy, I'm all around a better player than all of them. The one guy that's better than me basically sits in his room for 7 to 8 hours a day everyday practicing though haha.. I don't have fucken' time for that.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:38 am
by RRROOOAAARRR
Yup, get lessons.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:41 am
by +JuggerNaut+
Canis wrote:Take lessons.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:06 pm
by plained
yea yea take some lesson, i never did but i suck heh

though it cant hurt learning some basic chords and scales .

also leaning some basic songs by ear playing along to the radio .

and try some playing from memory, thats interesting.

have fun

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:46 pm
by Canis
...and what type of guitar is it?

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:44 pm
by zeeko
I go to a small college that has a music conservatory so there are people here that are just super hardcore musicians... My really good friend is a trombone major but he plays amazing guitar and piano... So i had him come with to help pick out guitar. We compared a bunch of guitars at a few shops... yamaha's, fenders, dean, taylors, ibanez, and a few super expensive amazing guitars so i could listen to them :-) ... I would close my eyes and have him play 4 guitars and i would tell him which i liked best. It ended up being a contest between a taylor big baby and this ibanez... and i always picked the sound of the ibanez over the taylor. it is an ibanez aw40
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It has a nice classic rock sound. So we got home and he started to teach me to play some chords, C D G and E minor. I don't think he really knows how to read guitar music and he just plays a lot. But he is an incredibly talented musician, he knows all sorts of music theory etc, and i trust him a lot more than the guy at the guitar shop :-) MAN that guy was a creep.

But my dilemma is: I am trying to get non-music major lessons with a professor, but i heard it is quite difficult for this to happen. So I might just have to take lessons from my friend where he would just teach me the way he was taught.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:10 pm
by plained
what exactly is your end goal

like a super virtuoso guy?

maybe that 1 guy with an acoustic shpiel? i like that one.

if its the latter, its alot of fun doing the two together, voice and guit i mean

it burns up carbs like a moeff tho, like when your jus learning i mean ey, unless its just me cause it seems i pay a high cost in carbs when i power concentrate dunno:shrug:

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:29 pm
by Canis
That's a good beginner guitar from the looks of it. Remember the sound will change as the strings wear in. Brand new strings always have a bright springy liveliness in their tone, but that can quickly disappear as the strings get corroded, dirty, and obtain fret-wear.

If you've got friends who play, they can teach you the basics in terms of open chords and bar chord patterns. However, for the sake of your hands, do take lessons so you wont build any bad habits. You can hit a C chord properly, and always get a nice solid sound, or you can do it improperly and cramp your hand and always get a buzz of sorts. With experience these glitches will even themselves out, but with lessons you'll be sure to do it properly the first time and avoid unnecessary frustration and pain. When my friends and I picked up our first guitars we always were stretching cramps and discomfort out of our hands...far more than when I finally took guitar lessons.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:47 pm
by zeeko
Well... I've done a lot of singing/musicals in the past and i would say i have a pretty decent voice, i can't sight sing.. But my roommate is sort of the same way, and we always write lyrics for songs and record the melodies, but we would like to take the next step and be able to (eventually) play them on guitar.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:21 pm
by Deji
You don't HAVE to take lessons, but if you don't I very much advise you to read material on the net for beginners. It basically does have everything you will need, and there are several forums with extensive help sections (like the one at zentao).

Personally I don't like lessons that much, I don't have enough discipline to play what someone else wants me to :smirk:

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:24 pm
by Canis
It depends on the teacher for sure, but getting the technique right the first time is very important. You dont need to go for theory and "musical education"; that can come at any time. Rather, getting used to the instrument and properly building strength is the goal I'd set for now.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:35 pm
by Tormentius
plained wrote: it burns up carbs like a moeff tho, like when your jus learning i mean ey, unless its just me cause it seems i pay a high cost in carbs when i power concentrate dunno:shrug:
:olo:

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:34 pm
by Silicone_Milk
Stay away from power chords.
Stay away from Smoke on the Water.

Joking aside....

Depending on the style of music you would like to play take a look at different scales like the classic blues scale on the key of A. (5th fret 6th string) This scale happens to be my favorite to dick around with.

Start with notes. Move on to chords from there.

Most importantly, if your hand is hurting, stop playing. Listen to your body. If you're in pain (not counting finger tips) as in joint pain, muscle pain in the hands you're not playing correctly. Stop playing or you could damage your hand.

If you get frustrated dont try to play. Playing in an angry mood can be heard in the "music". Put the guitar down. Take a break. Come back after you're refreshed and feel ready to take another whack at it.

One more thing before I go, muscle memory. Be careful about HOW you're playing. If you're playing wrong, dont know it, and continue to play for a year or so it'll be a bitch to learn how to play properly because you're hands will want to do what they're used to doing. Chords may be difficult to do right at first but keep at it and muscle memory will kick in and it'll be easy ;)

When you're ready close your eyes and try playing a scale until you can do it without looking. Helps build memory of where notes are on the fretboard in relation to each other.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:41 pm
by zeeko
most places online just have a bunch of chords to learn to play... do you know of any places that teach NOTES?

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:50 pm
by Canis
I say play power chords, play what you want. Play whatever makes you feel good and whatever you like. If you hear it and like it and want to learn how to play it, then do so.

There are hundreds of fretboard sites on the internet. Just google up a few. If you know the tuning of each string (E, A, G, D, B, e) and know what a half-step is, then you can figure out what each fret position represents.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:11 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
every average dog grows big ears

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:41 pm
by Canis
+JuggerNaut+ wrote:every average dog grows big ears
No they dont.