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commie bastards... unionizing labor at Wal-Mart.
next thing you know they'll be paying fair wages and promoting women; Slippery slope.

It's kind of hard for Wal-Mart to bitch at China about unions when their collective mouth is full of Chinese cock.

and i assure you... it takes alot of chinese cocks to fill a mouth.

Hopefully Walmart's competitiveness isn't hurt by this.

Massive Quasars wrote:Hopefully Walmart's competitiveness isn't hurt by this.

yeah, hopefully.

yeah, lol hopefully

edit: a korean company did something smart and bought out all walmarts in korea and made them their own stores. They're really good stores now and doing good business.

So much antipathy for this company.

Massive Quasars wrote:So much antipathy for this company.

Its a good thing walmart doesn't have an S in it. Although $ams Club does.

Massive Quasars wrote:So much antipathy for this company.

You know why? Because before Sam Walton died, every Wal-Mart you walked in to had signs up saying "This product made in this town in the US, sustaining X number of jobs". Right after he kicked the bucket, all those signs went away and the company started importing shitloads of cheap Chinese crap.

Massive Quasars wrote:So much antipathy for this company.

Wal Mart is a shitty company, in terms of the way they treat their employees and overall ethic.

As far as the company hurting communities, there is a lot of truth to that -- but Wal Mart can hardly be blamed for the stupidity/ignorance of their customers.

how's that rock, MQ

Nightshade wrote:

Massive Quasars wrote:So much antipathy for this company.

You know why? Because before Sam Walton died, every Wal-Mart you walked in to had signs up saying "This product made in this town in the US, sustaining X number of jobs". Right after he kicked the bucket, all those signs went away and the company started importing shitloads of cheap Chinese crap.

Walmart has done more to uplift dirt farming yokels than any other government program could ever do. I'm sorry that your protectionist idol has fallen from grace.

I should add that I think Walmart has been a net benefit to both the US and China (why something so obvious needs to be stated is beyond me though). I don't deny the individual hardships experienced by those who've been confronted with Walmart's ultra-competitive nature locally, but that remains the unfortunate cost of doing business (people and jobs are shifted around).

In another thread, on another subject, we would be lamenting North America's extraordinary concentration of wealth compared to the rest of the world. When that begins to change (to benefit all parties mind you), we complain that companies like Walmart are short-changing hard working Americans. We can't have it both ways, as much as personal interest stories of individuals shafted by faceless corporations move us.

So walmart has done more to uplift dirt farming yokels, yet you don't deny the individual hardships experienced....

Right

They're short changing the hard working people who work for them too. Those fucks are satan in just about every aspect.

Foo wrote:So walmart has done more to uplift dirt farming yokels, yet you don't deny the individual hardships experienced....

Right

Right.

I think we have an understanding

Massive Quasars wrote:I should add that I think Walmart has been a net benefit to both the US and China (why something so obvious needs to be stated is beyond me though). I don't deny the individual hardships experienced by those who've been confronted with Walmart's ultra-competitive nature locally, but that remains the unfortunate cost of doing business (people and jobs are shifted around).

In another thread, on another subject, we would be lamenting North America's extraordinary concentration of wealth compared to the rest of the world. When that begins to change (to benefit all parties mind you), we complain that companies like Walmart are short-changing hard working Americans. We can't have it both ways, as much as personal interest stories of individuals shafted by faceless corporations move us.

Er, it's not just about China.

Wal-Mart uses unethical business practices to keep from giving employees benefits, and have been documented in dozens of cases to be overtly sexist in their promotion/advancement programs.


And for the record, I have no problem whatsoever with American companies expanding into foreign markets and creating jobs in other countries -- but it does irk me that the China division has allowed a Communist union to be created in the company, when Wal-Mart North America is notorious for fighting tooth-and-nail against organised labor of any sort to be formed within their ranks.

"You don't have to be foreign to work here, but it helps!"

Massive Quasars wrote:

Foo wrote:So walmart has done more to uplift dirt farming yokels, yet you don't deny the individual hardships experienced....

Right

Right.

They have uplifted dirt-farming yokels in one part of the world at the expense of the same people in another part -- casting them back to 3rd-world-class health and social benefits.

Which is apparently a model business practice?

R00k, the China decision was part politics part government strong-arming (does that equal all politics?). They simply can't risk pissing off China when they're reliant upon the nation to do business internationally, even so they resisted for 2 years to no end in this case as well. At the same time, China is hypocritically benefitting from freer markets while trying to maintain some semblance of socialism at home.

As for Walmart's unethical business practices, feel free to nail them on sexist hiring practices if true. As for employees benefits and wage issues, employees aren't entitled to and employers are required to provide more in either category than the market dictates as sufficient incentive to retain employees.

R00k wrote:They have uplifted dirt-farming yokels in one part of the world at the expense of the same people in another part -- casting them back to 3rd-world-class health and social benefits.

Which is apparently a model business practice?

The game is positive sum, not zero sum. There's no static supply of wealth from which China is taking at the expense of the US, both countries are exchanging and creating wealth simultaneously. All parties benefit, granted some more than others at times.

Massive Quasars wrote:R00k, the China decision was part politics part government strong-arming (does that equal all politics?). They simply can't risk pissing off China when they're reliant upon the nation to do business internationally, even so they resisted for 2 years to no end in this case as well. At the same time, China is hypocritically benefitting from freer markets while trying to maintain some semblance of socialism at home.

I agree on both points completely. That doesn't mean I can't be irritated by it, which is all I said.

Massive Quasars wrote:As for Walmart's unethical business practices, feel free to nail them on sexist hiring practices if true. As for employees benefits and wage issues, employees aren't entitled to and employers are required to provide more in either category than the market dictates as sufficient incentive to retain employees.

Federal law requires that a full-time employee working 40 hours a week be given certain benefits - we do have some labor laws here in the states. What Wal-Mart does is work poor and easily exploitable employees one hour shy of that mark, for years on end, so they don't have to provide those beenfits, and still get full-time performance.

That is not illegal, and I never claimed it was. I said it was unethical, and for you to try to refute my claims by saying that there is nothing illegal about it....... Well, frankly it reminds me of one of Canis' defenses that the Vietnam War was the right thing to do because there was no intent to commit a crime.

wal-mart owns.


when i check out

i personally thank each cashier

for sacrificing her healthcare for my 401k

a true example of american patriotism :icon14:

Federal law requires that a full-time employee working 40 hours a week be given certain benefits - we do have some labor laws here in the states. What Wal-Mart does is work poor and easily exploitable employees one hour shy of that mark, for years on end, so they don't have to provide those beenfits, and still get full-time performance.

That is not illegal, and I never claimed it was. I said it was unethical, and for you to try to refute my claims by saying that there is nothing illegal about it....... Well, frankly it reminds me of one of Canis' defenses regarding the Vietnam War.

I'm not very familiar with your federal labour laws.

With that in mind, the reason I don't regard it as unethical is because I don't think federal (and often times more onerous state) labour laws produce net benefits in most cases. I try to leave consequence-detached ethics out of this discussion whenever possible.