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Keep in mind that this thread is by "ME", so if your going to read it and then flame me for reading it, you have been warned...

Well, something happened at E3 that a few people dont want the public to know about. Check your local gaming sites for it, but...

Assasins Creed, that game many people are creaming over, well its true that its coming out on 360. Not only is it true, but the UbiSoft presentation of the Game at E3 that was claimed to be the PS3 footage was actually... Dumb da da... Running on an xbox with a standard USB pad. Funny that.

Second, Gran Turismo HD. Now while this game lacks any serious punch as it is (Because its a HD port), thats not the problem. However the problem is that, amazingly, this wasn't even running on a PS3. It was running on PC, using Beta code... Again, funny that.

One last thing. This is to put an end to the "spec wars", and finally make you all see that the price of a PS3 over the 360 is indeed pointless. I mean first of all, the price to make a BluRay player is ONLY $100. Thats a HUGE mark up Second, take a look at this spec comparison between the two consoles:

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

Well, it says they are both pretty much the same but the 360 takes a slight lead in GRAPHICS, which most normal people know.

Anyways, thats it, last thread i promise

This also means we have yet to see absolutely anything running native on the PS3, which means we can't say what it's output will be like.

you mean they did exactly what MS did last year with their 360?
what a shocker

Foo wrote:This also means we have yet to see absolutely anything running native on the PS3, which means we can't say what it's output will be like.

Metal Gear was shown in real time, so was Warhawk, so was a few other games.

In other words, its 100% normal to suggest that BOTH consoles will have games that look EXACTLY the same, with neither console pulling vastly ahead of the other one.

Once again, why spend £200 more on a BluRay player, when its quite possible it will flop...?

MKJ wrote:you mean they did exactly what MS did last year with their 360?
what a shocker

Yeah, all of the 360's games last year were running on PS2's and xbox's

no, they were running on G5's with beta code, remember

MKJ wrote:no, they were running on G5's with beta code, remember

I do remember.

The point i was trying to make however, is once again, a game that a lot of people of waiting for and some will BUY the system for (like GTA4) is on 360 and EXACTLY the same. So, why spend £200 more?

It'll be interesting to see what the PS3 offers up to justify any extra cost over the competition.

If the PS3 costs the same as the competition, then it may well pull ahead of the game since it offers access to the new disc format without needing to purchase extra hardware - unlikely

If the PS3 comes out more expensive, and the only extra it offers is the new disc format, then I think they'll have fucked up. Since it's Sony's own format and it's their interest to proliferate the technology, and consumers won't be confident in the new tech with HD-DVD competing, then expecting a customer who would be taking a risk to also pay more money is a very unreasonable demand. - This scenario is looking more and more likely.

The last of the 3 possibilities is that the PS3 delivers all that we've seen and adds even more value on top of it. I have no fucking idea what or how, but if they somehow justified the higher pricetag then fair play to them.

o'dium wrote:

MKJ wrote:no, they were running on G5's with beta code, remember

I do remember.

The point i was trying to make however, is once again, a game that a lot of people of waiting for and some will BUY the system for (like GTA4) is on 360 and EXACTLY the same. So, why spend £200 more?

yea, thats quite true.
no idea why. we can guess a thousand reasons but its all speculation now.
cheaper isnt always better, but more expensive isnt always better either. we'll see what zee future brings us, im sure.

im personally bummed about the fact that they ditched rumble in favor of the gyrosense. gyrosense means absolutely nothing to me. its a gimmick and thats it. i just wanna play mah damn games dammit

Foo wrote:It'll be interesting to see what the PS3 offers up to justify any extra cost over the competition.

If the PS3 costs the same as the competition, then it may well pull ahead of the game since it offers access to the new disc format without needing to purchase extra hardware - unlikely

If the PS3 comes out more expensive, and the only extra it offers is the new disc format, then I think they'll have fucked up. Since it's Sony's own format and it's their interest to proliferate the technology, and consumers won't be confident in the new tech with HD-DVD competing, then expecting a customer who would be taking a risk to also pay more money is a very unreasonable demand. - This scenario is looking more and more likely.

The last of the 3 possibilities is that the PS3 delivers all that we've seen and adds even more value on top of it. I have no fucking idea what or how, but if they somehow justified the higher pricetag then fair play to them.

But should we assume Blu Ray to flop? Sony made a bold and seemingly true statement in that when you buy a PS3, you buy a BluRay player, effectivly giving them an upper hand without the consumer even having a choice in the matter.

If you want HD DVD, you have to buy a player or 360 add on. If you want a Blur Ray player, you have to buy a Player, or a PS3. Most people will buy a PS3 anyway, so that gets them into homes quicker...

It seems logical form a business stand point for them to win the next gen multimedia war, but it also seems a bit, i dunno... cheap... Of them?

BluRay wont flop. All the PS3 games will use it (at least when DVD doesn't suffice anymore), so its guaranteed to stay around, even if it doesn't become the video format of choice.

Does the 360 even have a killer game which is exclusive to the console yet? Halo 3 is coming soon of course, but even that is most likely to get a PC port sometime down the road. GRAW is also getting a PC port, and Perfect Dark Zero has a lot of mixed opinions too.

On the other hand, i'm not really impressed with the PS3 lineup either. But it does have MGS4, and lets be honest - has a MGS game ever been anything less than amazing before? I'll buy the PS3 just for that.

Hideo Kojima made the caming world kinda confused the other week by saying that the 360 could indeed to Metal Gear, but Sony flopped some money in their faces so its exclusive. More power to Sony for doing it like, samrt move.

As for killer Apps, yeah. Gears of War, Halo 3, Alan Wake etc, it has a load of killer apps. It shouldn't be that you can get these on PC as well, it should be that you CANT get these on PS3. Alan Wake is exclusive, Halo 3 is exclusive, but Gears of War could quite possibly make a PC release down the road... But never on PS3. Thats the key to making it a good exclusive title. Windows and 360 go hand in hand in a way.

"But it does have MGS4, and lets be honest - has a MGS game ever been anything less than amazing before?"

Actually, yes. Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Acid 1/2 etc... Remember Metal Gear 4 is a shotter, not a stealth game. I'm sure it will be amazing in its own way, but it wont be Metal Gear Solid 1 on crack, which is what I myself want, which is why it doesn't appeal to me. Its moved to far away from the game that i loved, for it to appeal anymore.

See, blu-ray will become the format for PS3 games, no question... but that doesn't actually do anything in terms of making it a standard. After all, console manufacturers have since the beginning been free to push their console data on whatever the like - cartridge, cd, mini cds, dvds.... it exists completely independantly of the format for other things like movies.

Hence, I don't think the game formats are something we should take into account for whether a format will become accepted. What we're really looking at is what will become the standard format for movies... That's the real determiner.

With the PS3 having a blu-ray player onboard already, that could be a boost for sony, but on the other hand if they're expecting the consumer to pay above the odds for the console, and the only benefit they're getting from paying that much more is the player, it seems to be self-defeating. You get 2 for 1 but you're paying much more.

Also lets not disregard the other players in this game, HD-DVD has a lot more backers than Blu-Ray.

Its also a pretty stupid reason, but sony has far more developers willing to code their software for the PS3. They have a stranglehold on the industry, and i'm sure many developers will take the "safe bet" of releasing for the PS3 just because they're likely to sell more copies. This doesn't justify the extra cost at all though, and I do think the PS3 is expensive for what it is. But it does some things right in that it has a next-gen disc system as standard, as well as a built in HDD. Things which will inevitably become essential for the 360 over time.

I read it on the internet so it must be true

Tis true that the 360 not shipping a next-gen storage solution could hurt them badly in the long run.

But if they push the addon players at a loss and recover it in game sales, that would greatly increase the uptake.

a BluRay player might cost only $100 to make but how much money and time was spent to get to the point where you could make it for $100?

I'm probably in the minority, but I actually care more for the MGS storyline than I do the actual gameplay. Not that I think its lacking in gameplay either, but i've always thought of the MGS games as interactive movies heh.

Its a big franchise. Big enough to swing the "which system should I buy" vote for many people, including myself.

If Bioshock wasn't coming out on the PC, i'd buy a 360 just for that. Its these kinda must-have games which make or break my purchasing decision.

Both HD-DVD and Blu Ray are good for consumers, and I don't really care which one wins the race (though I hope its blu ray since I wont have to buy an external player then). But yeah, having the PS3 create instant millions to the blu ray consumer base is a +1 for sony. It'll be interesting to see how many people buy the HD-DVD addon from MS.

I felt much the same way about GTA, after having waited a long time for GTA3 and Vice City to arrive on PC, when SA came out I just gave up and bought a PS2.

With the announcement that GTA4 will be multiple platforms, I'll prolly end up getting one or the other so I'm keeping an eye on things.

BTW, I think there'll be a third version of the 360 with the HD-DVD player integrated.

Foo wrote:I felt much the same way about GTA, after having waited a long time for GTA3 and Vice City to arrive on PC, when SA came out I just gave up and bought a PS2.

With the announcement that GTA4 will be multiple platforms, I'll prolly end up getting one or the other so I'm keeping an eye on things.

BTW, I think there'll be a third version of the 360 with the HD-DVD player integrated.

I think so too foo.

I have this feeling that with the new CPU tech they have (cooler, cheaper to make), they will release a smaller, nicer 360 with built in HD-DVD somewhere down the line. The PS2 did this how many times? 3? So thats not all that bad. (Apart from the HD-DVD its not a big deal).

Now, if having HD-DVD means games can ship on that, well im un-decided. Maybe if its cheap, yeah, i say go with it. I mean afterall the N64 needed an expansion thingy

But lets face it, can anybody really see storage needs going up THAT HIGH any time soon? The biggest games these days are 7-8gig and thats fucking HUGE.

I dont mind having 2, even 3 DVD9's in a case. Thats still a LOT of space.

Yeah, integration will be inevitable I think. Probably wont happen until 2007 though as it would raise the cost of the system, and MS would lose their price advantage come PS3 launch time.

Sony also has the Final Fantasy franchise (not inc crystal chronicles on the Wii), which will sway many around the world, especially in Japan. And speaking of which, how is the 360 doing over there now? I know sales were pretty dire at launch, but its still a crucial territory for gaming.

brisk wrote:Yeah, integration will be inevitable I think. Probably wont happen until 2007 though as it would raise the cost of the system, and MS would lose their price advantage come PS3 launch time.

Sony also has the Final Fantasy franchise (not inc crystal chronicles on the Wii), which will sway many around the world, especially in Japan. And speaking of which, how is the 360 doing over there now? I know sales were pretty dire at launch, but its still a crucial territory for gaming.

Still not great Mostly because theres a lack of mech and RPG games. However M$ have quite a few RPG and mech games coming out soon.

But yes, having Final Fantasy exclusive now will really go down great in Japan. To bad FFXIII looks good but seems to have shite gameplay, i mean, real time battles...? Please...

Besides, this is all assuming those crazy japs can A) Afford the system (prolly) and B) fit it in their homes (Impossible).

o'dium wrote: But lets face it, can anybody really see storage needs going up THAT HIGH any time soon?

With HD, i'd say its only a matter of time. The DVD/CD situation was the same with the PS2 remember. I think Sony even mentioned this during their presentation at E3. You don't see many games these days on CDROM format for the PS2 hehe.

MS were in a tricky position at 360 launch. I don't think they needed a next-gen disc system back then, but come 2007 and beyond I reckon games will need at least 10-15gb as standard. This could still easily fit on a few DVD's of course, but then you could say many PC games could still be released on 2 or 3 CDROMs

Disc swapping is a bit of a nuisance, and i'm all for the single disc approach.

brisk wrote:

o'dium wrote: But lets face it, can anybody really see storage needs going up THAT HIGH any time soon?

With HD, i'd say its only a matter of time. The DVD/CD situation was the same with the PS2 remember. I think Sony even mentioned this during their presentation at E3. You don't see many games these days on CDROM format for the PS2 hehe.

MS were in a tricky position at 360 launch. I don't think they needed a next-gen disc system back then, but come 2007 and beyond I reckon games will need at least 10-15gb as standard. This could still easily fit on a few DVD's of course, but then you could say many PC games could still be released on 2 or 3 CDROMs

Disc swapping is a bit of a nuisance, and i'm all for the single disc approach.

Sony have said one of the biggest reasons that EVERYTHING on PS3 will ship in BluRay is simply because its harder to pirate.

As for disk space yeah, i see where your coming from, nobody can see that far ahead, but i dont mind swapping disks. As long as i get a good 10 hours gameplay BEFORE i have to do it. A game the size of Halo should not swap disks, you know, 3 levels then swap? No thanks...

o'dium wrote: Besides, this is all assuming those crazy japs can A) Afford the system (prolly) and B) fit it in their homes (Impossible).

Either way, we can guarantee that the weedy japanese wont be able to carry the PS3 home. Then again, I probably wont be able to either considering the size of the thing

Dunno what you're talking about, it'd fit in your handbag: