Quake3World

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html


crushing....obvious?...

anyone got the video of that yellow substance he talks about?...

and this...pretty damning...

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Got Root?

old...

funny you would buy into something a guy in magic pajamas came up with. some other great things you may learn at BYU:

-God was once a man like us.
-God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
-We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
-There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
-Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
-Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned. (Michael Jackson??)
-The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere.

Maiden wrote:funny you would buy into something a guy in magic pajamas came up with. some other great things you may learn at BYU:

-God was once a man like us.
-God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
-We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
-There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
-Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
-Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned. (Michael Jackson??)
-The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere.

what a moron!...

most of BYU's website is 404

Freakaloin wrote:http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html

interesting read

you already posted this guy's shit geoff like a month ago. try to keep track of your misinformation will you?

wrong...

yes he is

how do u know moron?...

bullshit. The only steel that had to fail for the WTC towers to collapse was the steel trusses holding up each floor - which have already been shown (with video archive footage) to have been woefully neglected in terms of fireproofing. Due to the way the floors were constructed, the failure of one or two supports would result in the floor collapsing, with the weight of the collapsing debris falling on lower floors and causing more collapses on the way down.

oh and btw, the steel doesn't have to MELT for its structural integrity to be completely fucked - these trusses were fireproofed for a reason, and that reason was to prevent a fire degrading their load-bearing capacity. There are some shocking pictures out there showing areas in almost every part of the wtc towers where steel fireproofing was either not completed or allowed to degrade to the point of uselessness.

Just goes to show that it doesn't pay to skimp on your essential building maintenance.

vesp wrote:bullshit. The only steel that had to fail for the WTC towers to collapse was the steel trusses holding up each floor - which have already been shown (with video archive footage) to have been woefully neglected in terms of fireproofing. Due to the way the floors were constructed, the failure of one or two supports would result in the floor collapsing, with the weight of the collapsing debris falling on lower floors and causing more collapses on the way down.

oh and btw, the steel doesn't have to MELT for its structural integrity to be completely fucked - these trusses were fireproofed for a reason, and that reason was to prevent a fire degrading their load-bearing capacity. There are some shocking pictures out there showing areas in almost every part of the wtc towers where steel fireproofing was either not completed or allowed to degrade to the point of uselessness.

Just goes to show that it doesn't pay to skimp on your essential building maintenance.

hey moron...the pancake theory has been crushed into a million pieces already...and the steel had to be much hotter then airliner fuel burning to even comprimise it...

just goes to show how morons who think they know jack really don't know shit...

Why not post some links to respectable engineering journals rather than the bullshit conspiracy crap?

And the steel would have been fine had its fireproofing maintenance not been seriously neglected.

some people just want to believe the worst i guess.

here is one, found on a quick search - even has some pretty pictures. Disprove every point in that, goof, including the metallurgical theory, and I might consider even clicking on one of your conspiracy-fuelled links.

hey moron...the pancake theory has been debunked already...that is a fact jack...


i don't need to post links about topics everyone who has paid attention for the past few years already knows about...the only ppl who believe ur little homo pancake theory anymore r morons who get their primary news from the history channel and popular mechanics...

That guy's making a LOT of assumptions. He points to one piece of hot metal at the edge of the building and all of a sudden there were well-concealed thermite charges everywhere. Granted, that's most likely not molten aluminum, but there are lots of other things it could be.
Thermite puts out a SHITLOAD of very white smoke, and it's not unreasonable to expect that if there were "10 or 20 incendiary packages" as the professor states that you'd see very large volumes of white smoke. Which of course there wasn't. Then there's the idea of the same number of charges remaining undiscovered for days or weeks, and OH YEAH, THEY MANAGED TO GET THE PLANE TO HIT THE SAME FUCKING FLOORS WHERE THEY WERE PLANTED.

On the issue of the molten metal found in the sub-basement: Are you seriously telling me that thermite charges melted all the structural steel (again, right where the planes hit and nowhere else) and then the slag puddle managed to stay molten AND fall all the way to the basement? Or is it that there were thermite charges in the basement that somehow managed to melt the structural steel, be seen burning at the corner of the 70 somethingth floor, and from the basement cause the uppermost floors to collapse?

Sorry, not fucking buying it.

Freakaloin wrote:hey moron...the pancake theory has been debunked already...that is a fact jack...


i don't need to post links about topics everyone who has paid attention for the past few years already knows about...the only ppl who believe ur little homo pancake theory anymore r morons who get their primary news from the history channel and popular mechanics...

oh please

vesp wrote:

Freakaloin wrote:hey moron...the pancake theory has been debunked already...that is a fact jack...


i don't need to post links about topics everyone who has paid attention for the past few years already knows about...the only ppl who believe ur little homo pancake theory anymore r morons who get their primary news from the history channel and popular mechanics...

oh please

lol...crushed...

quite

I shudder to think where you get your primary news from. Considering all the crackpot guff you post here, probably whatreallyhappened.com

lol..

vesp wrote:bullshit. The only steel that had to fail for the WTC towers to collapse was the steel trusses holding up each floor - which have already been shown (with video archive footage) to have been woefully neglected in terms of fireproofing.

while i'm sure that's true, it begs three questions: why did the central 'tower' of each building also collapse? why was the collapse not one-sided, since each plane did only hit on one side? finally, how does this theory explain the collapse of WTC7?

my god, it must be a conspiracy.

WTF? Those are completely valid questions.

good lord.. they were 110 storey buildings... do you expect only one side of a building that high to collapse, or the outer material to fall away and leave the central columns? come on.

As for wtc7, everything i've seen on that is muddy. Videos showing what looks like cutter charges etc, people admitting it was a controlled demolition.