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This person is someone myself and many others on a music forum have had arguments with mostly about music. He's a right old know it all and arrogant to a fault and imo, a bit of a nazi.
Anyway, I'm just curious, what do you think about what he said? I'm not really that knowledgeable about this stuff.

" Who gives a crap what any of you think? That's the whole point. When push comes to shove we kick the living crap out of anyone we want. We control the worlds economy. We invade any country we want. We kill anyone we want. While ever country in the world is subject to the World Court, we are not. We can go to any country, kidnap you, bring you here, torture you, imprison you for ever. And you can't do jack diddly squat about it.

We've been doing it for almost a 100 years now.

Why can we get away with all of this? Cause we rule. Why do we rule? Because we are rich. Have power, and don't give a crap about anyone."

Then people started to have a go at him and he later replied:

"I only spoke the truth. Many people can't handle it. Sorry, it's REALITY. America can do whatever it pleases, it answers to no one. We also protect more countries then anyone else. We also sustain the world economy.

If america were to dissapear tomorrow. The worlds economy would collapse in a pile of rubble. Your country would be doomed, along with so many others that rely on it.

California alone has the 5th largest economy in the world. We, the United States of America make the world go round.

That is the REALITY of the situation."


One minute he says this: " Because we are rich. Have power, and don't give a crap about anyone." and the next he says this "We also protect more countries then anyone else." How much truth is there in what he said and how much do you think he's just basically saying ' us americans are the greatest, everyone else is inferior '.

You're reading him wrong I think. From reading that he's trying to state the situation as he believes it to be, rather than gloating. In fact in reading it he looks like he's taken care to avoid gloating in saying that.

I think he is trying to point out that all the shit people are bitching about is not new.

He's mostly correct.

Unfortunately our economic hegemony is in danger because of Iran opening an oil exchange based on Euros instead of dollars. Which is why the administration is so bent on attacking Iran right now.

If Iran opens its oil bourse, billions and billions that have been invested in the American dollar will be pulled out and put into the Euro instead. These are most likely extremely serious consequences for our economy.

But for the most part, right now, that guy is correct. The world economy runs on the dollar because it is the universal currency for trade and investment. If that changes due to Iran and world opinion of our government/economy, then the repercussions would be felt worldwide.

We have our collective thumb on the scales of the UN, the World Bank and the IMF, which pretty much govern international commerce and economy.

aye - but if drum says his history is being a bit of a nazi then he's probably being condescending rather than trying to be tactful.

would guess what he says is true to a degree - they certainly can do whatever they like (evidence, they do) and they're integral to the global economy (although not independent of it, which he's conveniently ignoring). dunno about the protection part - for every baby-kissing mission to drop a few hundred thou on a starving village, there are a whole bunch of fuckups and exercises in avarice and ignorance.

but you've read/posted here for long enough to get desensitised to that sort of thing, surely you can just ignore him

Like he ignores Geoff?

lol, maybe they'll make him a mod there too if he flaps and queefs at the admins enough.

Heh, oh this guy doesn't bother me, even though hes normally a complete dickhead. I was just curious about whether you could see if he's bringing attitude or simply facts. I never doubted most of what he said, it's obvious america is very rich and the most powerful nation. It's just certain sentences I wasn't sure about such as " Have power, and don't give a crap about anyone " and "We can go to any country, kidnap you, bring you here, torture you, imprison you for ever. And you can't do jack diddly squat about it. "

those two sound pretty spot on

Yea, those parts are mostly true too, unfortunately.

Don't you read the news?

Of course if we do it in an obvious way, to noticeable citizens, then a stink will be raised, which is what happened in Italy.

You get the idea.

Ok, here's an example of someone who just countered some of the things he said.

"We also protect more countries then anyone else. "


REPLY : Almost every country you have diposed a leader in the name of protection has been royally screwed over by the new dictators that you imposed, examples:

Chile, iraq, mexico, congo, cuba, afghanistan, cambodia, indonesia.

You wanna know why...not for world peace but money, so in fact your statement should say "we make money by exploiting more countries then anyone else"

"If america were to dissapear tomorrow. The worlds economy would collapse in a pile of rubble. Your country would be doomed, along with so many others that rely on it

California alone has the 5th largest economy in the world. We, The United States of America. Make the world go round.

That is the REALITY of the situation."



REPLY: If any of the 8 richest nations in the world dissappeared the world economy would collapse.duh. also luxembourg is the richest coutry in the world in GDP per capita not america.

zOmg, I'm doing a geoff!

Do you not read the political threads here?

All this has been debated a hundred times already. You want us to start going over the same arguments again for a thread on another forum?

As far as Luxembourg being largest in GDP, that's just plain funny. Luxembourg is about the size of Rhode Island or something.

R00k wrote:Do you not read the political threads here?

All this has been debated a hundred times already. You want us to start going over the same arguments again for a thread on another forum?

As far as Luxembourg being largest in GDP, that's just plain funny. Luxembourg is about the size of Rhode Island or something.

I thought you'd be interested since there are so many political threads on here. And no, I read bits and pieces of political threads hence why I said I'm not very clued in. Nevertheless, I was just throwing this stuff out to see what you guys thought.

I wouldn't say interested so much as 'keenly aware.'

but maybe some other people here would still want to discuss it.

Can you just link to the thread DruM? Be easier

R00k wrote:Do you not read the political threads here?

All this has been debated a hundred times already. You want us to start going over the same arguments again for a thread on another forum?

As far as Luxembourg being largest in GDP, that's just plain funny. Luxembourg is about the size of Rhode Island or something.

i think maybe that means that in GDP per capita terms luxembourg is biggest

Yea, that's exactly what they meant. It just struck me as funny. Luxembourg is right in the middle of Europe, is smaller than Rhode Island with 500,000 people. They're doing pretty well for themselves.

But it was pretty obvious the original guy meant 'richest in the world' - not 'richest in the world per capita' so the point is irrelevant anyway.

Isn't China US's biggest creditor? We're talking about trillions of dollars here, so if China decides to sell all their dollars, the US economy is dead, thus making China the biggest economic power in the world?

Technically that's probably correct. But the value of China's currency is tied to the Dollar, so not much chance they'd be the ones to drop it, as long as that remains the same.

And if they unfastened their currency, then its value would rise rapidly, and they would lose a lot of the advantage they have. Their low wage workers wouldn't be as low wage anymore, and it would no longer be as cheap to export manufacturing over there. Wal Mart would have to find a new nation of indentured workers to exploit.