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film studies is killing me
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:36 am
by sliver
I just want to know how many of you can get through this
without skimming:
This power to alter our perceptions is doubly true of technologies of representation. A technological artifact like the automobile (whose technological function is not representation but transportation) has profouindly changed the temporal and spatial shape and meaining of our life-world and our own bodily and symbolic sense of ourselves.
However, representational technologies of photography, the motion picture, video, and computer inform us twice over: first, like the automobile, through the specific material conditions by which they latently engage our senses at the bodily level of what might be called our microperception, and then again through their explicit representational function by which they engage our senses textually at the hermeneutic level of what might be called our macroperception.
Most theorists and critics of the cinematic and electronic have been drawn to macroperceptual analysis, to descriptions and interpretations of the hermeneutic-cultural contexts that inform and shape both the materiality of the technologies and their textual representation. Nonetheless, “all such contexts find their fulfillment only within the range of microperceptual possibility.” We cannot reflect upon and analyze either technologies or texts without having, at some point, engaged them immediately — that is, through our own perceptive sensorium, through the materiality (or immanent mediation) of our own bodies.
Thus, as philosopher of technology Don Ihde puts it, while “there is no microperception (sensory-bodily) without its location within a field of macroperception,” there can be “no macroperception without its microperceptual foci.” it is important to note, however, that since perception is constituted and organized as a bodily and sensory gestalt that is always already meaningful, a microperceptual focus is not the same as a physiological or anatomical focus. The perceiving and sensing body is always also a lived-body — immersed in and making social meaning as well as physical sense.
It's from an article entitled "The Scene of the Screen: Envisioning Cinematic and Electronic Presence" by Vivan Sobchack, and it is sadly quite representative of the bulk of writing in the film theory/criticism field. These people should be forced to take journalism classes; it hurts my head to traverse 20 pages of verbose wasteland.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:58 am
by mrd
Sounds like it was written by a straight up fag.
omg the horror!
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:13 am
by Grandpa Stu
holy shit that's horrible. bitch needs to learn to write more economically. it seems to me that she never got out of the high school habbit of using filler words to meet the required paper length. in fact it apears she's gotten worse in that respect haha.
dear god there's just so much wrong with that i cant just leave it at there either! i mean ffs look how long those sentences are--there's no variation in their length whatsoever. the second paragaph is a single sentence for crying out loud! not only does she use rediculously long words, she goes so far as to use them repeatedly which is a big no no with any word in general.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:15 am
by dzjepp
I've had a similar class, and the textbook was all to similarly covered with shit that makes you poke your eyes out.
I think a lot of these "writers" try way too hard, trying to make an impression, but they end up making a bad one at that.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:15 am
by dzjepp
lol filler, I used to that shit too
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:21 am
by BlueGene
Not only is it all over place and not clear but it also seems that the person used Word’s thesaurus just to make it sound more intelligent.
I like this part the best:
“there is no microperception (sensory-bodily) without its location within a field of macroperception,” there can be “no macroperception without its microperceptual foci.”
Jesus fucking Christ, not only is it the same fucking shit 4 times I'm also pretty sure that "microperception" isn't a fucking word.
Throw the article into your profs face and tell them to translate it into english.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:32 am
by BlueGene
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:36 am
by dzjepp
Your microperceptual foci is non existent in the context of the quasi-modo theory of this thread.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:37 am
by dzjepp
Holy shit! I should put that in a book!
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:25 am
by Dave
I was able to read that.. what's the deal?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:45 am
by sliver
BlueGene wrote:FFS, it's really not a word.

To be fair, film theorists coin a lot of words, so I'm sure she knew that "microperception" wasn't in the dictionary. But while a lot of what they say, however understood in the field, simply isn't translatable into normal language, there is a definite level of clarity which they should strive for (but don't).
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:46 am
by sliver
Dave wrote:I was able to read that.. what's the deal?
You read it; you didn't understand it.
And must you be a cunt in
every thread?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:05 am
by Dave
Well, you didn't provide the entire article for one thing... How was I being a cunt? I read shit like this every day. You get used to it after awhile. Stop complaining and get out the dictionary if the big words intimidate you.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:21 am
by Massive Quasars
sliver wrote:You read it; you didn't understand it.
And must you be a cunt in every thread?
Historians obfuscate. He's well read.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:21 am
by Grudge
I agree with Dave, that text isn't especially hard to understand. On the other hand, I do have 4 years of Cognitive Science studies under my belt, and some of the linguistics shit we used to read makes that passage look like a fucking first-grade primer in comparison.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:26 am
by mjrpes
You can figure out what microperception and macroperception mean from the context. Dave is right. Get used to it. You're going to see a lot more of this shit. People have to write this way to fill up articles and books.
After you read enough of this stuff your brain begins to build a bullshit filtering device, which filters out the underlying idea from the poorly worded and often padded crap.
For example, "We cannot reflect upon and analyze either technologies or texts without having, at some point, engaged them immediately — that is, through our own perceptive sensorium, through the materiality (or immanent mediation) of our own bodies. " This is brimming with verbiage. All this sentence seems to be saying is, "we cannot understand technology until we use it".
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:29 am
by sliver
Dave wrote:Well, you didn't provide the entire article for one thing... How was I being a cunt? I read shit like this every day. You get used to it after awhile. Stop complaining and get out the dictionary if the big words intimidate you.
Big words do not intimidate me. If anything, I relish the opportunity to learn more and bigger words. The problem is one of clarity. These cunts are so self-satisfied, so smug in their strenuous grandiloquence that it just bogs the reader down. This is film theory, not baroque literature: there is no reason to use "Brobdingnagian" if "huge" won't mislead anybody.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:32 am
by sliver
mjrpes wrote:You can figure out what microperception and macroperception mean from the context. Dave is right. Get used to it. You're going to see a lot more of this shit. People have to write this way to fill up articles and books.
After you read enough of this stuff your brain begins to build a bullshit filtering device, which filters out the underlying idea from the poorly worded and often padded crap.
For example, "We cannot reflect upon and analyze either technologies or texts without having, at some point, engaged them immediately — that is, through our own perceptive sensorium, through the materiality (or immanent mediation) of our own bodies. " This is brimming with verbiage. All this sentence seems to be saying is, "we cannot understand technology until we use it".
You're simply agreeing with me (which is fine and healthy and good). I wasn't asking for a translation -- I was comfortable, before posting this, with macro/microperception -- I was merely complaining about the cloying wordiness of film theorists.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:33 am
by Dave
I'm just guessing here because I'm not a film person and I don't read this genre often, if ever, but I assume it means this:
You're born and learn to read. You read about a rollercoaster, something which you've never seen or heard of before. It doesn't mean much to you, but you go to check it out anyway. You experience and enjoy it. A month later you read something about another rollercoaster that sounds exciting. You draw on your past sensory experience of actually having rode a rollercoaster and use that as a frame of reference while reading the description about hte new one.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:36 am
by sliver
Dave: That's half of it, but again, I wasn't bugging people for an explanation I was just venting pre-midterm frustration.
It's entirely possible to understand what Vivian and Co. are saying most of the time, it's just not as easy as it ought to be.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:36 am
by sliver
riddla wrote:most film studies professors need a good Clint Eastwood-style beating anyhow.
We are watching Unforgiven in class in a few weeks.

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:38 am
by Dave
All I'm trying to do is show how I can take something completely foreign to me and make some sense out of it despite the fact that it was written by an imbecile. It's just something you learn to do. Finish a degree in an area then take an entry level class in the same area. You'll be amazed at how watered down and boring it will be.
I'm taking American History II now, which is a very low level course, and although I've never actually taken it--nothing is particularly old to me yet--I can't stand to go because it seems like its too easy.
On the other hand, I go to my entry level German class and almost get my ass kicked.
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:43 am
by sliver
sheesh, 8 more years till American History X?
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:45 am
by mjrpes
That was very bad :icon33:
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:46 am
by mjrpes
If the writing gets you sick enough, you can switch majors like I did
