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I'm sure there are a couple of different models, but I'm just curious about a ballpark figure.

anything from £600 to 1000 without a lens

if you're getting one, get a 20D. If you can't afford a L lens, get a tamron 18-200mm for £250ish.

and don't listen to toxic

Buddy just got one. I think its the Rebel XT 350 model. Quite a step up from standard digi-cam. The speed he can take a picture really impressed me. Nearly instant from pressing the button to a pic, unlike most digi-cams.

you think that's quick you should have a go on a 1ds mkII. nice cam, i have one. getting a 17-40mm canon L for it soon.

Why the fuck do you have a 1Ds MkII? Did you really buy it or u just "have" it? Since when are u a pro photographer?

Btw Fender, doombrain is a moron who knows nothing about lenses. The proof is in a thread about lenses from a while ago where I smashed him.

I'd suggest you get a Rebel XT (350D) and a Canon 50mm f/1.8 II lens for it for starters. Don't get a shitty 28-200mm zoom since its quality will not be anywhere near the Canon lenses I'm mentionning here and at 200mm it will have a ridiculous aperture like f/6.3 or something.

Then if you want a good all around lens, get a Canon 17-40mm f/4 L, since the 350D has a 1.6x crop factor, the 17-40mm will turn into a convenient standart zoom lens with high optical quality.

Oh and make sure you buy a flash, I suggest the Sigma EF 500 DG Super, its inexpensive, I have one and its great.

I got a special deal with my EOS 350D.
Standard lense, 1 gig card and a carry case for £600

By the way, when you're choosing a CF card, make sure the one you get is fast. A Sandisk Ultra II is great, it has a 60/66x speed.

I got a PNY one and i can do 15 shots straight after one another before it clogs...

Sigma

ToxicBug wrote:Why the fuck do you have a 1Ds MkII? Did you really buy it or u just "have" it? Since when are u a pro photographer?

I've got a R-D1 as well jellus?

lol.. fast card. That nnx speed is a bunch of crap. Just buy one. I got a 4 gig microdrive last night that works about as well as my 1 gig flash cards, it costs about the same and holds 4 times more.

If you're going to spend that much on a 17-40, get spend a little more and get the 24-105 f/4L. The 17-40 as a sole lens is about worthless.

Don't mess around buying crappy kit lenses or 50mm f/1.8 primes. Just spend some money up front on a decent lens that will last you 10 years.

Doombrain wrote:

ToxicBug wrote:Why the fuck do you have a 1Ds MkII? Did you really buy it or u just "have" it? Since when are u a pro photographer?

I've got a R-D1 as well jellus?

is that SLR?

ToxicBug wrote:Don't get a shitty 28-200mm zoom since its quality will not be anywhere near the Canon lenses

No fucking shit man

ToxicBug wrote:Oh and make sure you buy a flash, I suggest the Sigma EF 500 DG Super, its inexpensive, I have one and its great.

Sigma

Can someone tell me why toxic suddenly seems so angry and defensive all the time? Not that I don't appreciate the humor, I'm just sayin', is all...

Dave wrote:

Doombrain wrote:

ToxicBug wrote:Why the fuck do you have a 1Ds MkII? Did you really buy it or u just "have" it? Since when are u a pro photographer?

I've got a R-D1 as well jellus?

is that SLR?

Digital Rangefinder, my friend. Fucking class A for low light and 50mm body shots. I'm doing my second wedding with it later this year.

Lol, Sigma. Sigma are like the radio shack of the camera world

Doombrain wrote:

Dave wrote:

Doombrain wrote: I've got a R-D1 as well jellus?

is that SLR?

Digital Rangefinder, my friend. Fucking class A for low light and 50mm body shots. I'm doing my second wedding with it later this year.

it was a sick joke sir

Dave wrote:Don't mess around buying crappy kit lenses or 50mm f/1.8 primes. Just spend some money up front on a decent lens that will last you 10 years.

The 50mm f/1.8 II is a very good lens. Read some reviews before you make a comment like that, but I second the 24-105mm is a great zoom:

50mm: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... t=2&page=1

24-105mm: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... =27&page=3

Btw, doombrain, any questions? http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... =30&page=2

Oh and to answer Fender's question:

Rebel XT/350D costs about $830 on Amazon right now without the lens. The 24-105 lens is about $1200. You can get the XT w/ kit lens for $899.

It's worth the extra $1200 for a decent lens. Fast, quiet focusing, image stabilizer, good reach, comes with a bag/hood and it will out last the camera body.

ToxicBug wrote:

Dave wrote:Don't mess around buying crappy kit lenses or 50mm f/1.8 primes. Just spend some money up front on a decent lens that will last you 10 years.

The 50mm f/1.8 II is a very good lens. Read some reviews before you make a comment like that, but I second the 24-105mm is a great zoom:

50mm: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... t=2&page=1

I've read them all man. The build quality on that lens is sorely lacking. I don't buy shit I plan on throwing away. That's why I bought the faster 50mm that costs 4x more.

Dave wrote:

ToxicBug wrote:

Dave wrote:Don't mess around buying crappy kit lenses or 50mm f/1.8 primes. Just spend some money up front on a decent lens that will last you 10 years.

The 50mm f/1.8 II is a very good lens. Read some reviews before you make a comment like that, but I second the 24-105mm is a great zoom:

50mm: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/show ... t=2&page=1

I've read them all man. The build quality on that lens is sorely lacking. I don't buy shit I plan on throwing away. That's why I bought the faster 50mm that costs 4x more.

that is a very good point, its all about money. If you can afford a the 50mm f/1.4, the go for it of course, but if your budget is severely limited, then there are some other lesser options.

Like the Tamron