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From Site wrote:There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). Another reason why I think that Firefox would hold up pretty well is because it does not offer any support for VBScript or ActiveX. Many of the worst exploits against Internet Explorer have taken advantage of security holes in these two technologies. Likewise, Firefox does not use Microsoft's Java VM, which has a history of having more security problems than other Java VMs.

I read this article and thought this guy was a total moron. The fact that he brought up the MS Java VM shows what kind of idiot he really is. Everyone knows MS lost to Sun over Java and they had to discontinue MS Java per a court order.

So is it safe or not?

generally it's safer than IE, but that's mostly because IE is more targeted.

The open source evangelist I work with quit FF cold turkey because he thinks the current dev leaders are morons. He uses IE now

TRAYTORE!!

I liked Microsoft's Java better, Sun's seems to be slower. But yeah the guy is an idiot for even mentioning it.

im thinking opera soon...again

opera still has problems with formatting and javascript stuff. there are lots of sites where the menus and whatnot are all messed up. i still use it for almost everything though, and switch to firefox or ie only when something doesn't work.

its adfree now, no?? i think i have v8 and a free serial anyway...somewhere

yea, it went ad-free afaik.

BlueGene wrote:I liked Microsoft's Java better, Sun's seems to be slower. But yeah the guy is an idiot for even mentioning it.

You're joking right? I'm in no way an MS hater or anything, but when it comes to performance, MS' java vm is awful compared to Sun's java implementation.

while it's true that the initial load time of the Sun VM is longer, the runtime performance is a LOT better than the MS VM. Try map24 with the MS vm and you'll see what I mean.

Personally I think FF 1.5 is a piece of shit. Tabs lock up, the entire thing freezes. I guess I'll start uninstalling my plugins one by one.

And yes, Sun's JVM is slower to load, but much faster during run time. And if you are talking about server side usage, is it even more so as Sun's hot spot server JVM is more aggressive about pre-compilation and keeping often used code compiled in memory. Also Sun is addressing the start up time issue for 1.6. It should be much faster to start.

Then of course, you've got JVMs like JRockit from BEA. I forget who they aquired to get it. Anyway, it is even slower to load, but much much faster again. It precompiles all code but keeps it all around for fast access. It also has advanced heuristics for garbage collection and such. Unfortunately, quite a few of third party monitoring apps aren't quite compatible with it yet. Also, JRockit is going to be the first JVM with support for runtime Aspects. If you know what that is, then you already know powerful that will be. If you don't know, then you will probably never care.

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From Site wrote:There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). Another reason why I think that Firefox would hold up pretty well is because it does not offer any support for VBScript or ActiveX. Many of the worst exploits against Internet Explorer have taken advantage of security holes in these two technologies. Likewise, Firefox does not use Microsoft's Java VM, which has a history of having more security problems than other Java VMs.

I read this article and thought this guy was a total moron. The fact that he brought up the MS Java VM shows what kind of idiot he really is. Everyone knows MS lost to Sun over Java and they had to discontinue MS Java per a court order.

After reading "There are several things that make me believe that Firefox would hold up pretty well if an all out assault were unleashed upon it. For starters, unlike Internet Explorer, Firefox can not become infected with spyware just because you visited a malicious Web page (to the best of my knowledge). "

I thought yeah... well researched article

maxthon ftw

whats everyone scared of anyways? so if someone hacks into ur shit...so fucking what?...

Fender wrote:Personally I think FF 1.5 is a piece of shit. Tabs lock up, the entire thing freezes. I guess I'll start uninstalling my plugins one by one.

Really? Haven't had that happen yet. It may be a dodgy plugin, but I see you already thought of that.

the only issue have with FF even thru 1.5 is the atrocious memory leakage. no, not a plug-in problem.

"real men use Opera"

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:the only issue have with FF even thru 1.5 is the atrocious memory leakage. no, not a plug-in problem.

Why... whatever do you mean?

wtf, ive never had a memory issue with ff. but, there are some sites that just fuck my cpu, like ggl's for instance. i dont know if ie is any better and its just the site, but sometimes ff will go bullshit.

edit: after installing opera last night and it making horde looke like shit ive decided i would go back to IE if only it had tabbed browsing.

i thought the newest IE *did* have tabbed browsing (which i don't use, but whatever)

ps - anyone have a shitty old monitor they want to mail me? i've only got one and i'm too lazy to crawl under my desk to swap out cables every time i want to boot my loonix box.

vnc

and ie 7 beta does i think but...