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Genetically, I have extremely high cholesterol (228 last time I was tested). Everyone in my family has it, although we are all in excellent shape. I'm only 21, and I've always tried to keep mine as low as I could.

Here's the problem- almost every whey protein supplement I've seen has around 300 mg of cholesterol in it(which, apparently, is the new AHA suggested limit) and that is something I would like to avoid. I love going to the gym and lifting, and I always have a protein shake afterwards, but because of the cholesterol in it, I've been limiting myself to just that one scoop post-workout.

So my questions come down to this: by limiting myself to 1 scoop every other day, is that limiting my muscle gains? I'd imagine it is, although I'm eating a pretty high-protein diet as it is (chicken at lunch and dinner, whole grains and sometimes egg whites and a yogourt for breakfast). And secondly, is there a low-cholesterol brand of protein I should look out for? Currently I'm taking GNC whey protein, which I find actually tastes really good compared to most others. Finally, will I be losing anything by switching to a lower-cholesterol content whey protein?

thanks

I'm taking a nutrition class right now and the teacher said that people who do weight lifting don't need to take protein supplements since weight lifting doesn't use protein, while endurance training does. Taking too much protein will screw up your kidneys. And that cholesterol-related problems come not from food that have high cholesterol (eggs) but from saturated fat, since saturated fat transports the cholesterol from liver to the arteries and deposits them there or something.

ToxicBug wrote:people who do weight lifting don't need to take protein supplements since weight lifting doesn't use protein.

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Yea I know its weird.

muscles are made of protein right? building new muscle fiber therefore needs protein as a basic building block. I think your teacher is wack. Perhaps he meant that you won't burn protein as an energy source unless you are endurance training.

Yeah, thats right. Its a she btw. I think you already have more than enough protein anyway, the minimum you need is 0.8xmass in kg and the max is 2xmass in kg. You're gonna fuck up your kidneys with too much protein for sure. It will also go into making fat.

God Toxic, is there anything you actually DO know about?

Ok, being the one person here who knows what he's talking about: You don't need to take protein supplements. The protein in those supplements is not any better (or different) than the protein you get in your meat, beans, insects in your salad, or semen. Since you're already getting plenty of protein, you don't need to waste money (or risk your health given your LDL Cholesterol) on supplements.

As long as you already get ~1.2 gram of protein per Kg of body weight, you're more than fine for building new muscle.

i live in the far far future ey

that's right plained

No he's right...though muscles are made mostly out of protein, the only time you need to intake large amounts is when you are doing endurance as the muscle tissue will get damaged and worn out if used extensively for too long.

I forgot what the other one was but you need more of that then protein if working out...

Hey, here's an idea- everyone who didn't spend 4 years in college studying exercise and sports science can give 110% in the area of fucking off

R00k wrote:God Toxic, is there anything you actually DO know about?

Hah, whos the moron now?

hmm, it's probably still the person getting backed up by the 15 year old

feedback wrote:hmm, it's probably still the person getting backed up by the 15 year old

You just said exactly the same thing as me.

ToxicBug wrote:

feedback wrote:hmm, it's probably still the person getting backed up by the 15 year old

You just said exactly the same thing as me.

Wrong, you said 'since weight lifting doesn't use protein'.

Feed said 'because you can get sufficient protein from regular food'

idiot.

Foo wrote:

ToxicBug wrote:

feedback wrote:hmm, it's probably still the person getting backed up by the 15 year old

You just said exactly the same thing as me.

Wrong, you said 'since weight lifting doesn't use protein'.

Feed said 'because you can get sufficient protein from regular food'

idiot.

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ToxicBug wrote:Yeah, thats right. Its a she btw. I think you already have more than enough protein anyway, the minimum you need is 0.8xmass in kg and the max is 2xmass in kg. You're gonna fuck up your kidneys with too much protein for sure. It will also go into making fat.

You're a fucking moron TB.

What feedback said is dead on, although protein supplements are handy if your diet doesn't include the optimal amounts already.

just FYI, endurance training has a lot of benificial effects on the body (not all of which I can remember right now) but the foremost are:

two-fold increase in the number of mitochondria in your slow-twitch fibers, resulting in much improved endurance and production of ATP, results in more glycogen due to the glycogen sparing effect.

intermediate muscle fibers are converted to slow twitch muscle fibers

the myocardium in the heart thickens, your max cardiac output, and stroke volume increase.

Strength training effects:

increase in mitochondria in muscle (though not as much as endurance)

muscle hypertrophy

intermediate fibers are converted to fast twitch glycolytic

and also a host of neurological changes involving reaction time and motor unit recruitment improvements.


but basicly, you can't go wrong doing some kind of endurance training, it's too good for you

*the more you know

Yeah that's a more important take-home message.

feedback wrote:or semen.

here's an interesting read on saturated fats, cholesterol, etc. But be sure to read the comments for critical feedback.

http://www.cookingforengineers.com/article.php?id=40

ToxicBug wrote:I'm taking a nutrition class right now and the teacher said that people who do weight lifting don't need to take protein supplements since weight lifting doesn't use protein, while endurance training does. Taking too much protein will screw up your kidneys. And that cholesterol-related problems come not from food that have high cholesterol (eggs) but from saturated fat, since saturated fat transports the cholesterol from liver to the arteries and deposits them there or something.

Most nutritionists say this. Most nutritionists that don't counself bodybuilders or weight trainers. Now, the truth is you don't need the excessive amounts that many people take in (300+ grams a day), but the bottom line is that you won't be making muscle tissue if you don't have enough amino acids, and you won't have enough amino acids if you don't eat enough protein.

I just met with nutritionist who was supposed to give me some special diet for my kidneys. I was amazed at how little she actually knew.

i haven't done the exact math, can someone tell me if i'm around the 1.2 g/kg mark?

typical day's food, very rarely varies from this (yay college food):

breakfast:
2 cups Cheerios
3-4oz of nonfat milk in the cereal
8oz concentrated OJ (ugh, excess calories much?)
1 lowfat yogurt

lunch:
EITHER:
a) - chicken, rice, black bean, and salsa burrito
- 18-20oz nonfat milk
or
b) - breadbowl of chili or a cream based soup (new england clam chowder, corn chowder, etc)
- 1 small bag of baked lays chips
- 22oz water

dinner:
EITHER:
a) chicken parm sub (2 pieces of chicken, 6" sub)
b) one bbq'd chicken breast with veggies
c) plate of pasta with meatballs

all with either 22oz of milk or 22oz of water.


obviously my diet is sorely lacking in veggies, although i try to eat a few pieces of fruit a day in-between meals. i also take a multivitamin and an Omega-3 fatty acid supplement. And yes, I know my diet sucks, but its as close to optimal as I can make it considering my budget, my lack of a place to cook (this is all dining hall food), and the insane price of the salad bar ($8.79 for a small salad, good christ- thats the allowance for breakfast and lunch combined)

Suggestions? I lift MWF and play intramural sports T, TH, SAT, SUN- all of which occurs in the late afternoons/evenings. supposedly i'm going to be training for the boston marathon too, which would be happening about mid-day or so (although its highly doubtful that it will happen, due to a lack of motivation and injuries to my running partners)

Have you tried Hemp protien? http://www.manitobaharvest.com/hempfuelled/index.asp