Quake3World

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415135.stm

wtf is wrong with you people!!?

Yeehaw!!

If I were a girl, I'd ask reefsurfer for a date.

o shit.....

its only because yanks are to lazy to run after em

sigh. chalk up another reason to leave the country.

im going to America in Feb - only for 5 days though luckily.... might buy a kevlar vest...

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:sigh. chalk up another reason to leave the country.

Don't point a gun at anyone and I don't think you'll have a problem. Extreme cases notwithstanding.

This bill is retarded, but it's not guns that are the problem. There are more guns per home in Canada than in the States, yet how many murders are there with a firearm each year? Something like 10, versus 10,000 in the States.

reefsurfer wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415135.stm

wtf is wrong with you people!!?

what a pussy...

depends on the circumstances...if the opportunity to retreat presents itself as a viable option that puts the victim in a safer position than if they just shot the attacker, they should retreat. But they should not have to put themselves into additional risk.

Will there be cases where someone is shot when the potential victim could have retreated? Probably. But that could be solved by the fucking criminal NOT ATTACKING THEM IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE.

Freakaloin wrote:

reefsurfer wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415135.stm

wtf is wrong with you people!!?

what a pussy...

Another thing we agree on.

tnf wrote:depends on the circumstances...if the opportunity to retreat presents itself as a viable option that puts the victim in a safer position than if they just shot the attacker, they should retreat. But they should not have to put themselves into additional risk.

Will there be cases where someone is shot when the potential victim could have retreated? Probably. But that could be solved by the fucking criminal NOT ATTACKING THEM IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE.

assuming of course that weirdo's will only shoot someone once they have proven criminal intent.... etc etc etc. Sounds like loop hole haven.

reefsurfer wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415135.stm

wtf is wrong with you people!!?

why does this scare you? you live in sweden

frankly i think europeans are too faggy about firearms. while there's little evidence for the oft-made claim that gun ownership reduces crime, i think letting people own guns is simply a matter of trust. i mean, if the govt can't trust the people to own firearms, why should we trust the govt to have nukes and carrier fleets and tomahawks ffs.

there are loop holes, i don't disagree with that...but again, I am a big believer in victim's rights, which is something often counter the prevalent attitude in today's society that people need all sorts of legal justification to protect themselves. I am not advocating all-out vigilante justice here (and that isn't going to happen with this law).

i can understand this type of thing for the home, but for anything else - car, work, street.... this is idiocy.

well, if it doesn't reduce assaults etc in florida the utilitarian argument goes out the window really...

don't forget to normalize for population density Canis

Sorry, but population density is irrelevant here. You should have enough brains to figure that out.

no shit

This is a matter of a law describing what one can do in a given situation, not a comparison of the effects on murder rates that a given punishment yields (which covers too many variables -- including population density -- for a proper conclusion). This current comparison comes down to the probability of occurrence and the abuse/misinterpretation of the law to justify one's actions (higher occurrence of folks using this to kill someone because they were "acting in self defense).

It also decreased with higher population density, which may at first sight seem strange, but it should be borne in mind that rural areas, with low population density, often have higher murder rates than the peaceful suburbs.

http://www.americanoutlook.org/index.cf ... il&id=1527

just keep sticking to your false assumptions and denial

Florida rules. It's December 18th and I am not cold when i go outside.

"*kzzzkzz*eerrrrr hes coming right at us!"

Blam!

Cant wait to hear about all the new murders. It seems every day there is another reason to be happy not to be in the US. :icon26: